I just can't help it, i have to ask. Why would a chevy powered guy have any constructive input on this thread, or any thread about buick powered engines? You made a choice to go over to the dark side, why must you linger about commenting (usually with a negative tone) about buick powered threads? Wouldn't those negative tones about Buick powerplants be more welcome on a chebby board? Sorry Buick guys, I just couldn't hold this in any more.
Let T/A breath Jim thats funny thats exactly what i was thinking!!!!!! Im sory to tell you guys but T/A is not GOD he only decided to deal with buick and that fine. Everyone has sum ties to sum one if you guys beleive T/A is the only that can produce a good product well thats your opinion. Id be wiling to try another company if i believe they have a good product. Almost every one has some other type of product that was derived from chevy, mopar, or ford on there car. If you never step out of the the little box your in you will never find another product and then you will never get a better product. I hear more griping ova how no one makes buick parts but why should they when sum one does and they get responses like these. If you dont like dont buy but dont stop the next person for taking a chance you were too scared to take.
Temple 3-18-06 Hey Jim, bring the car to Temple March 18, I have seen the truck there before for the Brand X Bash. Maybe he will give you a chance to back up your offer and if he wont I would be glad to run ya. Give me a call I am in Houston all the time. I have talked to you before, and if you dont have my # anymore it is 713-870-3932. I love racing regardless of what engine you run, I just happen to prefer my BBB. The guy with the truck is in this for the same reason I am and that is for the love of the sport. That truck runs good for what little he has invested in it. I know I got off the thread a little bit, but just had to speak up for the guy I met in Temple that was out there having a good time with a truck he put together with very little $$$$. Shawn Carlin
That's too funny!! You must feel very "swolen" to be able to call out an all motor, stock suspension chebby truck with a totally STOCK bottom end Buick 455 in it. As far as the old thread where Leo455 said what he did, I couldnt' agree more with what he said!! Who cares ( except you) what you're chebby powered big cubic inch, blown car does? There may be more than I think, but I bet there's not many on this board that does. I have some funny bumper stickers from mike garrison that says "It's a BUICK thing, you wouldn't understand!" I really don't think you do, or ever have understood what that means. Not that that's a bad thing, but you're in the wrong circle of "friends" to bash Buick power.
You missed my point by a mile, as I said I really dont care what motor you have, there are still a lot of guys out there having fun with what they have, and have gotten with whatever budget they have. I like the Buick meets because you dont get this kind of stuff there. Just a bunch of people out to have a good time and happy to share there input with you. I personally dont care what motor you have, if it is fast I like it. I just happen to like my BBB as you appear to like your BBC. I just dont make my car out to be a world beater, but I like it because its mine and, as you said, I can go out and have fun at the track when my job allows me. Shawn Carlin
I love watching you two.......... :laugh:......... Bigdawg, I dig your car,Saw it last year at Norwalk :TU: Your turn J-dub........You're not gonna let Chris boss you around like that are you????????? I mean a Vega for cryin' out loud??????? :grin:
That J-dub is quick............Your turn Chris......... No offense on the Vega Jim........ :laugh: Don't want to insult a mans first love
This is not true, I work at summit, I am the guy you talk to when you call up. Summit does carry part for the buick you just have to know where to look. I have found a majority of parts for my 455 minus the heads of course. Summit has rods, pistons, bearings, intake manifolds, headers, distributors, waterpumps, cams, oil pans, you just have to know where to look. Since I a buick fan I found all of this stuff just had to do a little digging is all.
Also I dont see anything wrong with chevy motors wether its a sbc or bbc, I am a car enthusiast and I like most cars and motors except for those f!@#$ing mopars they can burn in hell. :af:
Judging by the time of your post,You might have an excuse :beer But that this adds nothing to your credibility........I would assume that if one of us called looking for a Buick part you would try harder to help us than the poor Mopar guy. Can't tell you how many times I've driven to Summit and they've not had part or the computer were down and you couldn't/had to wait to buy things.........I've been pretty frustrated with them,Why don't you send me a gift card for my time and then I'll call you for my parts :TU:
Bob........POPCORN for breakfast??????? Your not having coffee w/ that are you ???? Chris, It's your turn,You can't let him talk to you like that........The customers will understand if their motors are day later because you had to defend you credibility,Now go get him! :laugh:
I recently ordered a set of TA SE S1 heads from Mike T. I get warm fuzzies knowing I'll be getting a top-shelf product along with supporting the Buick community. I still fail to see the purpose of the Ebrock heads. If history tells us anything, Ebrock aluminum heads will be more of an aluminum replacement of the iron heads, which is fine, and I know, presumptous of me. But at $1800 plus rockers for a set, again I fail to see the purpose. People are already talking about porting them, etc, but according to the other thread, competing with TA's offerings is supposedly not their intent. I wonder how many heads EB is predicting they will sell? The price would have to be substantially lower to make them fly, IMO.
On a serious note, I think the problem that people have here is,Edelbrock couldn't care less about Buick's,It's a little more money motivated where as a company like TA was started from pride and the love of said Buick's..... Let me set up this analogy.......Breeding Dogs You open up your local paper and there are hundreds of people selling Dogs,95% of these people know nothing about making the breed better or doing so for their love of the breed,They are motovated by........$$$........These are referred to as "Backyard Breeders",They do quantity,Not quality. The good breeders Dogs are sold more by "word of mouth" and granted,You will pay more,But it's lesson in life,You get what you pay for.(Less health issue's,More post purchase support,etc.) If you go through life trying to find the cheapest way to things you will sometimes have to do things twice,And sometime never realize the character/pride that comes with doing something "Right the first time".....
Jim I'm glad you still have a good sense of humor. I get the same thing. Why couldn't I have been named "John Holmes"? :laugh: I do believe there is a market for EB heads. There are some guys that are not looking to build a race motor, but a good cruisin' motor. That would be a good head for a performance cruise motor. A pump gas mild compression motor that somebody can drive anywhere and maybe run in the 11's with it. I've got several friends with Olds and Chevies with EB heads and are race ported by pro head porters and are still flowing under 300 at 650! Each one of them were very disappointed. I think it's a mild engine head for mid level performance and some weight savings. I think there are guys that can use this head. The TA head is a more serious head. Everybody knows what a TA head is capable of. I do applaud EB for recognizing the Buick market. As far as when was the last time a Buick won a national event, check last years NHRA/IHRA points list for Lee Zane and Tom Rix(National record holder)
someone needs to get a set and test them. then the answers will be clear. and since their intakes are for street performance i guess the heads match its ability. the hardcore people need more than that and they have yet to prove themselves which is the big concern. as for chebbys,they have been using a buick designed head for racing for many years so sharing design technology works both ways. so someone get some and do some dyno testing!!! :Smarty: andy
It would be a good head for someone with a very mild street car that maybe wanted to upgrade to Stage 1 specs. To make a set of irons into Stage 1's will cost several hundred $$'s. The EB's would be just slightly higher in price (according to an early post) and a quick bolt on. With them you get weight savings and the cool look of alum. I would have to think they would flow as good and probably slightly higher than original Stage 1's too. BUT, the main thing to me is it will bring more attention to our engines. TA has a much better product and these EB heads will probably not affect their sales. People buying the EB's would have probably never forked out the cash for TA's heads. I think we need to be happy with another company making parts for us and not piss them off by talking trash about their products. Some have already pissed off other Buick parts suppliers by constantly complaining about the products they produced! The Parts Place now says they probably will not waste anymore time producing new parts for us Buick people and I don't want others to do the same. Us Buick people are not any better than the other classic car owners out there and we need to stop complaining all the time.
Like Ive said in my previous posts you have to know where to look. Instead of driving down to the store and talking to someone in the retail store who doesnt even know where to begin to look for buick why dont you call instead it would save to alot of time and greif. As far as being creditable buick lover my first car was a 68 buick gs california special two door post. And I am currently restoring it. And as far as sending you a gift card for your time, sorry maybe you should've called before. o No:
Are you trying to say you expect to be some kind of "national event winner" with that "itty bitty bbc with a blower"? lol, give me a break. Perhaps you'd like to be able to tell someone that knows someone, that knows someone, that knows someone that had a chance to be a "national event winner", that you're bbc powered too! Boy, I bet you'd get all kinds of respect then :laugh: . Back to the subject of this thread, I'm a serious candidate for these heads, but not without some braver ( or richer) buick guy trying them out first. Unlike you, i'm doing pretty good without spending a lot of unnecessary money. I'm no big fan of TA Performance. But hell, he's the ONLY guy that's been there, and is still gonna be there for us Buick guys. That's a commitment that i respect and admire. Other vendors are a good thing in my opinion (as humble as that may be). I still can't stand some "chebby guy" like you constantly whining and griping on this board about what the Buick community does, or doesn't do! Also, you spent 10k on a chebby motor? You'd have a hard time telling me exactly what is in the back of my chebby truck if i spent 10k on the motor. That's not meant to be a smart assed comment, just the plain truth :3gears: One thing's for sure. No matter how fast your car is, or is "gonna be", with that bowtie in it, it will NEVER go "fast with class". Sorry agian Buick guys!! Rave on!!
