Info on these heads

Discussion in 'Street/strip 400/430/455' started by lt1b4c, Feb 12, 2022.

  1. lt1b4c

    lt1b4c Well-Known Member

    20220212_174355.jpg 20220212_174519.jpg 20220212_174445_05.jpg Can anyone tell me about these heads?
     
  2. CJay

    CJay Supercar owner Staff Member

    The 1231786 is a 70 455 head. It could be either a std 455 head or a stage 1 head. The head cast "S1" is an over the counter head from the parts dept. The third pic are stage 1 valves
     
  3. Super Bald Menace

    Super Bald Menace Frame off oil changes

    Factory valve unshrouding in chamber
     
  4. lt1b4c

    lt1b4c Well-Known Member

    Sweet! So I scored a set of stage 1 heads? Is the service head a 70? Here is a picture of the valves and combustion chambers from both part numbered heads. 20220212_174341.jpg 20220212_174445_03.jpg
     
  5. DaWildcat

    DaWildcat Platinum Level Contributor

  6. Super Bald Menace

    Super Bald Menace Frame off oil changes

    I could be mistaken but I seem to recall reading that big valve heads did not have the unshrouding and stage 1 heads did
     
  7. DaWildcat

    DaWildcat Platinum Level Contributor

    That's what I remember, too.

    Nice score, lt1b4c. Hopefully they check out fine for you!

    Devon
     
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  8. lt1b4c

    lt1b4c Well-Known Member

    They were free. The same guy called again today and said he found another set in his shop that I can have.

    The heads came with a complete shortblock engine and intake manifold also.
     
    Last edited: Feb 13, 2022
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  9. 72STAGE1

    72STAGE1 STAGE 1 & 2

    Can I have a set? Since they are free I thought maybe?
     
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  10. lt1b4c

    lt1b4c Well-Known Member

    Lol I need to verify these other heads first
     
  11. bignastyGS

    bignastyGS Maggot pilot

    There is a difference between big valve heads and big valve unshrouded heads. The big valve shrouded heads can be unshrouded by a competent machine shop.
     
  12. lt1b4c

    lt1b4c Well-Known Member

    It appears the heads I have are unshrouded. Did you see the pictures?
     
  13. BrianTrick

    BrianTrick Brian Trick

    I like to start with a small valve head and machine them properly,but if those a free,and they are good,can’t complain about that.
     
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  14. 12lives

    12lives Control the controllable, let the rest go

    inline - after 72stage1 of course
     
  15. PGSS

    PGSS Gold Level Contributor

    If they are 70 heads or even 71 heads, it looks to be they have aluminum rockers.
    I thought they went to stamped steel ones?
     
    Last edited: Feb 20, 2022
  16. lt1b4c

    lt1b4c Well-Known Member

    My other 70' has aluminum rockers.
     
  17. PGSS

    PGSS Gold Level Contributor

    Huh..
    Maby they changed to steel mid year or they came out in 71? I swear ever stock 70 head iv'e scene has the steel ones.

    I just looked at my Max per Buick Engine book and it mentioned after 69 they went to 1.55 steel rockers.
    Wondering if your heads were worked on or put on a 430 block and kept the 69 oiling? I am no expert though.
     
  18. hugger

    hugger Well-Known Member

    Wrong info in that book,....aluminum rockers didn't come into production till very late 71 and the full production in 72,..of you see a 1786 or 7661 head with steel rockers they were replaced
     
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  19. PGSS

    PGSS Gold Level Contributor

    Hugger, now i'm confused..
    The OP's pics seem have aluminum ones but was told they are 70 heads?
     
  20. DaWildcat

    DaWildcat Platinum Level Contributor

    Yep, '70-'71 heads but they look like service replacements. That means that somewhere along the way, the first generation 455 aluminum rocker arms may have made their way onto these replacement heads.

    First gen 455 aluminum rockers are not to be confused with '67-'69 aluminum 400-430 rockers, completely different design and oiling strategy. The first gen 455 aluminum rocker arms oiled through the pushrod, and all later 455 rockers did the same, but with stamped steel rocker arms.

    Devon
     
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