Is there a buick engine that...

Discussion in 'Small Block Tech' started by Jim Blackwood, Nov 23, 2023.

  1. Jim Blackwood

    Jim Blackwood Well-Known Member

    ...oils one of the mains from the off side galley? I seem to recall that was the reason behind the TA dual groove front cam bearing but I'm having trouble finding drawings of the oil flow path for the 350 and BBB. I know it isn't the 340, pretty sure it isn't the 300 and know for sure it isn't the 215.

    Jim
     
  2. Mark Demko

    Mark Demko Well-Known Member

    You mean the left oil galley?
    As far as I know the mains get all their oil from the right galley.
     
  3. Jim Blackwood

    Jim Blackwood Well-Known Member

    Yeah, not sure where that rumor came from but have been trying to confirm if there's anything to it.
     
  4. Mark Demko

    Mark Demko Well-Known Member

    Here’s the best diagram I could find online
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  5. Mark Demko

    Mark Demko Well-Known Member

    Looks like a nailhead, but the “modern” Buick V8 the path is similar.
    Oooops, correction, forgot the nailhead has a sump mounted pump.
     
  6. DaWildcat

    DaWildcat Platinum Level Contributor

    '67 - '69 400/430 oiling:

    oiling.jpg

    Devon
     
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  7. Jim Blackwood

    Jim Blackwood Well-Known Member

    That last one looks like the 215 oiling with the galleys joined over top of the cam. The 300 and 340 run the off side galley oil through the front cam bearing.

    Jim
     
  8. Mark Demko

    Mark Demko Well-Known Member

    I believe what that pic is trying to depict is the oil being transferred to the right galley thru the groove in the cam.
     
  9. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    The Driver's side lifters get their oil from the passenger side galley. Oil goes across the front cam bearing. Before the TA grooved bearings, a common problem was front cam bearing wear to the point of shutting off or restricting oil to the driver's side lifters. That caused noisy lifters on the driver's side only. Poston used to offer a kit to join the two oil galleys at the rear of the block
    LifterGalBypass.jpg
    There was also guys who would groove the block. The TA back grooved bearings made that unnecessary. Oil would travel behind the bearing to oil the Driver's side galley.
    TAcamBearings.JPG
    TACamBearingBG.JPG

    See Jim Weise's comments in post #5 of this thread,

    https://v8buick.com/index.php?threads/lets-discuss-cam-bearings.373802/
     
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  10. Mark Demko

    Mark Demko Well-Known Member

    Left galley I meant so say, geez I think I’ll stop posting for today, can’t seem to get stuff correct
    :p:D:rolleyes:o_O
     
  11. Jim Blackwood

    Jim Blackwood Well-Known Member

    Yeah. left and right are confusing, In this case that's why I try to refer to the driver's side as the off-side, I think it's harder to misunderstand but I could be wrong.

    I'm not sure I understand how the TA bearing is meant to be installed though. The oil holes aren't in the same places. and the recent roller cam blanks do have the groove in them and a reasonably deep one at that. I matched the holes to the ones in the block by drilling a new hole in the bearing shell about 1/4" up from the existing hole.

    Jim
     
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  12. Jim Nichols

    Jim Nichols Well-Known Member

    Oil is supposed to travel from the block holes around the outside of the bearing to the new preferred locations for the oil wedge to the cam journal. The instructions and diagram above show the correct positions. 3 O'clock and 7 O'clock . By drilling the hole you moved it back to close to stock. I prefer the Phil Baker method and slot the stock bearing holes 1 to 3 o'clock hole and 7 to 9 o'clock hole.
     
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  13. Mark Demko

    Mark Demko Well-Known Member

    What I’ve done using TAs back grooved cam bearings and cams with the groove in the #1 journal is have the groove in the cam spray welded closed and machined back to stock journal diameter.
    I started doing this back in early 2000 when I did my ‘87 3.8 V6 Turbo, Buick did away with that oil transfer groove on #1 cam journal, Buick realized it created too many issues with cam bearing wear and resultant oil pressure loss along with noises valve train.
    I’m sure if the Buick 350 was still in production it too would have had the update.
    Buick put the oil transfer groove IN the bearing journal, where it should be!
    In my opinion, using a moving, spinning part with a groove is a piss poor way to move/transfer fluid.
    When I got my Kenne Bell cam for my 3.8 it had the groove, I took the cam to Michaels, and asked if he could close it, he said yes, spray weld, I said “do it”
    I have had all my V6 and 350 cams welded when using TA’s grooved cam bearings.
    Welding the #1 journal also increases the load carrying capacity of the bearing, there is no longer two narrow journals trying to cut into the bearing.
    This mod to the cam journal gets the most out of TA’s grooved cam bearings, without this mod, it seems to me that all the grooved bearing is doing is filling the groove in the cam with more oil.

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  14. Jim Blackwood

    Jim Blackwood Well-Known Member

    So was this just a myth then that any of the 60's era V8 engines fed any of the mains from the driver's side galley? If that is the case then the only reason for the TA bearing is to help feed the lifters and rockers on that side and honestly I don't see those two small grooves doing all that much compared to the full flow that the other side gets.

    Jim
     
  15. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    AFAIK, the Mains are fed from the Passenger side lifter galley. The new TA block has priority main bearing oiling.
     
  16. Mark Demko

    Mark Demko Well-Known Member

    It gets more oil than you think from those two narrow shallow grooves.
    I have a video on You Tube showing just this, at the time I was having issues with my Morel roller lifters bleeding down at random, I’ve since switched to Johnson’s, no issues.
    I’ll see if I can find my vid and I’ll link it here.
     
  17. Jim Nichols

    Jim Nichols Well-Known Member

    The grooves also move the location where the oil goes to the cam journal for the oil wedge.
     
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