Rear end GUY has a AXLE BEARING AND SEAL question!!!! HELP!

Discussion in 'Got gears?' started by monzaz, Apr 30, 2020.

  1. gsx455-4ever

    gsx455-4ever Gold Level Contributor

    Here are some measurements :
    Retainer . Says use with R 1584 FE .
    Bower RNF 1584

    Outside Diameter 2.5 inches
    Shaft Diameter 1.780 inches
    Thickness .750 inches


    Bearing : Hard to read : TIMKEN U499 Made in U.S.A.

    Outside Overall Diameter 3.110 inches
    Inner Shaft Diameter 1.750 inches
    Thickness 1.025 inches
    Roller Diameter 2.930 inches


    Hope this helps a bit . Measurements could be + or - a bit . I did my best . I know these came from my 70 Estate Wagon years ago and I remember what a pain in the ass till I got the correct replacement . That's when I learned it was listed as a Cadillac Commercial Chassis Rear .

    I was cleaning out the garage and came across it yesterday .
     
    Last edited: May 25, 2020
  2. Mark Demko

    Mark Demko Well-Known Member

    Thanks for posting the pics, yeah it’s a big one:D
    I like how Buick spec’d a “commercial “ chassis rear for the wagon, makes me wonder what kind of loads they anticipated those wagons would be subject too.
     
  3. gsx455-4ever

    gsx455-4ever Gold Level Contributor

    Yes Mark . Also another item I remember from my days at the dealer in the early 70's . We had a Service Manager that was very mechanically inclined and wasn't just a " Customer Representative " . He told me that the reason there were the rings in the early wheels was that there was a great many "Lug Breaking Incidents " and the ring was there for that purpose . I know there has been a " Poo Pooing " of this theory but I tend to agree with it . I've seen it on many large trucks and the lug breaking was cured by a hub that was " Supported " .

    I don't want to stir up the pot again but that is my opinion . I don't want to debate . Thanks .
     
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  4. gsx455-4ever

    gsx455-4ever Gold Level Contributor

    Mark here's another update . I believe this is the race for the bearing and the bearing # is U 499 not 0 499 . I'll EDIT it in my other post Bearing 001.JPG Bearing 002.JPG

    The race has a marking of U 460 L and is a Timken Race . It is 3.150 outer diameter

    Its funny what I'm uncovering in the garage during this cleanup . Crap I forgot about .
     
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  5. mikethegoon

    mikethegoon Well-Known Member

    Any hope for this? Bought out of salvage yard. Sway bar has come up and cracked housing. Internal inspection shows housing resting against ring gear preventing rotation. Geez loise. Did a spend 150 for nothing? IMG_20200825_175859.jpg IMG_20200825_175859.jpg IMG_20200825_175920.jpg
     
  6. Bens99gtp

    Bens99gtp Well-Known Member

    I dont think you can pull the case back into place
     
  7. BrianTrick

    BrianTrick Brian Trick

    It would take a decent amount of force to do that.
     
  8. monzaz

    monzaz Jim

    ring and pinion and posi are worth more than you paid for the complete rear...BUT you will need to find another housing. :(
     
  9. BrianTrick

    BrianTrick Brian Trick

    With the damage to the bottom of the pumpkin,I would question if the housing itself is bent.
     
  10. mikethegoon

    mikethegoon Well-Known Member

    My guy delivered housing today IMG_20201208_131015.jpg IMG_20201208_131048.jpg
     
  11. mikethegoon

    mikethegoon Well-Known Member

    Don't know the axle bearings placement. One side has a large radius . coworker has stated one side has a has a spacer rail -yet opposite side has cage in view IMG_20201211_153134.jpg The bearing closest has the larger radius
     
  12. monzaz

    monzaz Jim

    The way the old guys use to check straightness of a housing is the old 8 ft fluorescent light bulb trick...lol
    slide it through and see how straight the axles are to the light bulb/
    LOL. old school back yard junk....
    The stories they would tell ...I have talked to old guys about tons of stuff....some stuff works others are just plan goofy...:D

    Jim
    JD
     
  13. monzaz

    monzaz Jim

    Axle bearings.... Normally the outer diameter will have a starter recess on the outside diameter.
    again the only reason for anyof this is to make life easier on install.
    c-clip axle bearing can be installed either way.
    I would take the heavy radius to start in the tube end
    If you have a old goos used bearing use it to drive the new bearing in once it is inside the housing tube end. take a piece of BRASS (preferred) across the old bearing and strike it in with a 4lbs hammer as it will take less effort and each strike will diver further.... keep cris crossing the brass to keep the bearing square on strikes.
    YOU will heard the ping when the bearing bottoms out. Same with the seal use a square block of brass I use a 1" x 1" x 3" long to install this stuff.
    Always keep the bearing and seal square with the hole.

    Good luck
    Jim JD
     
  14. mikethegoon

    mikethegoon Well-Known Member

    An update on this exercise. While cleaning for rebuild water could be seen coming from axle tubes etc....Now I had to have old friend take over other guy turned me away. Starting with all new bearings The shims on pinion were reused and new crush collar brought to within 50 thou of original via press. This guy had a rectangle iron block that pinion sat upon then we placed rear housing atop. Next he put pliers on outer pinion bearing and heated with propane torch and placed bearing on pinion. I have had a flat jaw pipe wrench since 1975 and was told we were going to set preload together.
     
  15. mikethegoon

    mikethegoon Well-Known Member

    A couple pipes for leverage and off we went. I didn't get a chance to tach collar on replacement yoke like I did late 70`s so it was left off. After quite a few pulls we barely could remove play in assembly ( pinionshims bearings washer) I think we measured torque to turn at 10 inch pounds then removed old nut for new and took it up to 25 inch pounds considering new bearings. I couldn't red scale my glasses werent that strong+ even with air conditioning was sweating so bad couldn't see anyway.
     
  16. Max Damage

    Max Damage I'm Working on it!

    So you got your 150 bucks worth... it's a home gym.
     

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