Understanding Core Shift in the 455 block- why sonic checking is so important.

Discussion in 'Street/strip 400/430/455' started by Jim Weise, Feb 14, 2009.

  1. Jim Weise

    Jim Weise 1000+HP

    Hi Folks

    Let's talk about the 455 factory block, and dis-spell some myths about the various 455 blocks produced by the factory from 1970-1976.

    This one is a bit lengthy, so pop up a bag of corn and grab a beverage..

    It comes up often in various posts, so I thought I would take some time on this Saturday to illustrate for you all that there is a false "know fact" circulating in our circles.. it goes like this:

    "That's a 75/76 block, so it's the one to use."

    All Buick engine blocks are prone to core shift. What is core shift you ask?

    Core shift occurs at the foundry when the blocks are being cast. The internal core will shift from the external core during casting, resulting in an “off center” block. The biggest problem with this is an un-uniform cylinder bore thickness. It is of utmost concern when using large overbores or very high horsepower.

    The easiest way to check for core shift is to look at the cam and lifter bores. If they are in the center of the cast bulkhead in the block, the core did not shift too much, if they are way off center the core did shift. A block with a moderate amount of core shift will still be okay for mild performance use.

    But that's only the first "visual test" of an engine block.

    To illustrate this, I am going to show the pictures and sonic check of a '75 "Blue block" as they are typically called, that was sent to me some time ago, by a board member, for one of my Level 1A buildups.

    This block is a great example of the exception to the rule, and why every Buick 455 should be sonic checked before rebuilding.

    Before we get too deep into the pictures and sonic check of this block, let's take a minute to talk about what a sonic check is, and how to read a sonic check sheet.

    What is a sonic tester?- the sonic tester sends out a sound wave and then calculates the thickness of the metal by measuring the time for the reflected wave to return to the sensor.

    Sonic check worksheets are the paperwork for the "blueprint" of the cylinder wall thickness of the block. 12 check points are done in each cylinder. The operator then notes the cylinder wall thickness as he tests each point, on the sonic test sheet. The sheet is set up to "look down" on the top of the block. You will understand that when you see the picture below.

    The 4 axis for checking a cylinder are:

    In line with the piston pin (front and rear of the cylinder)
    The major thrust side
    The minor thrust side

    3 check points are done at each of the 4 'sides' of the cylinder. One under the deck surface, one in the middle, and one near the bottom, make up the 12 check points for each cylinder.

    Let's talk terminology for a minute:

    Major Thrust Side

    The major thrust side of a clockwise rotating V-8 engine is the LH side of each cylinder bank, as you face the front of the block. So for the Driver side bank (1,3,5,7) the major thrust side is the inside of the cylinder, or the side facing the lifter valley. On the Passenger side of the block (2,4,6,8) it's the outside of the cylinder block.

    This is the side that sees the highest loads, and should have the thickest cylinder walls.

    Minor Thrust side

    The side of the cylinder wall opposite the major thrust side.

    Pin Sides-

    The front and rear of the cylinder, in line with the piston pin. These will typically be the thinnest parts of the cylinder, especially between the cylinders. The 455 block is not "Siamese" block, meaning that it has water all around the cylinders. A 'Siamese" block has casting from top to bottom,in between the cylinders.

    While the pin sides of the cylinder see little thrust force on them, they are important in keeping the cylinder round, as the piston travels thru it's major and minor thrusts. And a cylinder that is honed round, and stays round in use, is one of the biggest contributing factors to overall power production.

    So.. now your up to speed.. and what I am going to say from here on out will make a lot more sense.

    Let's talk about this specific block.

    It is a 1975 Buick 455 block, identified by it's VIN number- 45X149030

    It decodes as

    4- Buick Motor Division
    5- Last digit of the year of production for the vehicle is engine went in. In this case 1975
    X- Final assembly plant of the vehicle
    The last six are the sequential vehicle number, and they match the dash VIN

    It's often said, and there is some truth to this, that by looking at the holes in the casting for the lifters, you can see how much core shift the block has.. if they are centered in the casting, then the block has little core shift..

    So with this in mind, take a look at this block's lifter bores.


    Looks good..

    Here's a close up of number 4,6,8 lifter bores:


    From these pictures, this block looks like a great candidate for a high performance buildup. Both my customer and I thought so, from initial inspection.

    Now I said that there was some truth to looking at the lifter bores.. and there is, you will see evidence of core shift here. If they are really off center, more than likely the cylinder thickness will correspond to the lifter bore positioning..

    But not always.. and that's the point of this diatribe.

    Here is the sonic check worksheet for this block.


    Two problems were uncovered, and I was surprised to see them.

    1. Look at the major thrust side, vs the minor. The block is shifted exactly the wrong way, with the major being thinner than the minor. For high performance blocks, I always look for the block to have at least .200 cylinder wall thickness on the major thrust sides of the block. I prefer that number to be closer to .250. And the higher the performance required from the block, the more picky I become with these numbers.

    2. Look at the rear of the pin side, on number 2, 4 and 6 cylinders. Remember, this is before boring.. this block was scheduled to be bored to 4.350 (+.038) so we would be taking an additional .019 thousands off each side.. that would leave us with a very unacceptable .055 thick cylinder wall, at the thinnest point on number 6.

    Needless to say, this block was set aside, and is holding the concrete floor down in the shop, as I type this.

    Now, here is the picture of the actual block used to build this customer's motor, in the assembly room. You will note that the lifter bores look about the same as the first block.

    But look at the sonic check worksheet..


    This block is shifted, (as they virtually all are) but the major thrust sides are considerably thicker than the first block, and there is no point under .100
    before boring.

    This block went on to have a very streetable build, at over 550 HP.

    So as you see, year of the block, as well as visual inspection does not always tell the whole story, and it's well worth the extra $75 or so to sonic check every 455, before you invest a lot of money in it.

    And building a high HP or stroker motor, makes this even more important.

    In later posts, we will discuss grouting the water passages for cylinder stability, the pros and cons.

  2. staged2ny

    staged2ny Silver Level contributor

  3. bob k. mando

    bob k. mando Guest

    very nice.
  4. Aerobatix

    Aerobatix Well-Known Member


    Excellent information presented in a very well written and educational manner. I would suggest you submit this and other tech articles for publication in some of the leading peformance magazines and websites. You have a talent in your communication style that is on par with your technical knowledge, a rare and refreshing combo.

    Please keep sharing and educating the masses. I know I need all the help I can get!


  5. Jim Weise

    Jim Weise 1000+HP

    Too thin a cylinder wall has a number of potential results.

    1. Poor ring seal- the cylinder actually distorts in use.
    2. Inability to re-hone the cylinder easily during a motor freshen up.. so instead a just a light hone during a race motor freshen, you have have to take .002 or so out of it.. and either run bigger clearances, or in some cases, order a new set of custom pistons. A good Buick bore will hone up nicely with just a few swipes of the hone, with an overall size increase of just .0003-.0005. This is important for race motors that come apart often for freshening up. A hip engine builder will run the pistons down to the very minimum allowed clearance on the first build, to allow room for later freshen hones. But if the block takes .002 or more to get it straight again, then that doesn't work well. This is mostly a concern for a race engine, but should be considered for all performance buildups.
    3. Cracking- This is the worst, and potentially most severe side affect. If you get lucky, it will just crack and leak water, and start blowing smoke.. or it could lead to total engine failure.

    The overheating issue is regard to cylinder wall thickness has been overblown in my opinion. Yes, a thinner wall will be a less efficient heat sink, but in reality, we fill these blocks in some applications to 1" below the decks, or sometimes all the way up, which effectively makes the cylinder wall transfer very little heat to the cooling system.. I have built quite a few of these motors for street and strip, and none have had a water temp problem.

    I believe that most likely, this urban lore about "too thin a cylinder walls and overheating" came from guys who built a high performance motor, which, as we know is actually a heat pump, and then installed it in a car that had a marginal cooling system. Maybe it just got by removing the heat from a 350 HP motor, but could not handle the heat from another 100 or so HP. This would account for the "I just built the engine, and now it overheats, and it didn't before, must be too thin cylinder walls" syndrome.

    And yes, a sonic checker is standard equipment in any full service machine shop.

  6. 69GS400s

    69GS400s ...my own amusement ride!

    thanks for the informative read JW - Much Appreciated

    ... nice way to spend your day off :TU:
  7. Schurkey

    Schurkey Silver Level contributor

    1. Thanks for the post, the photos, and notes are very informative.

    2. I really like your new signature line.
  8. dirtrider546

    dirtrider546 Trevor Gardner

    question, hopefully i didn't miss this in my reading, what thickness do you like to see on the pin side for a 500 hp build?
  9. Jim Weise

    Jim Weise 1000+HP

    IN any build, you would like to see as much as possible, but a benchmark for a high perf build for me is .140+ on the pin sides.

    But the reality is that you will look a long time for that block.. so often times you have to settle for one that has maybe just one or two holes with around .100 in that location, as long as the major thrust side looks good. I don't like to see than tht .100 anywhere, before boring.

    The sheet I posted is an example of this, and that motor made 550+ HP, and is in use today 3+ years after it was built.

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  10. dirtrider546

    dirtrider546 Trevor Gardner

    thanks a lot for the reply jim!:TU:
  11. Jim Weise

    Jim Weise 1000+HP

    Yes, I have in fact..

    I do have a small pile of blocks like this, that have been passed over on first inspection, but eventually, will be sonic checked to verify that they can or can't be used.

  12. 69GS400s

    69GS400s ...my own amusement ride!

    why would there be shift in the lifter bores but not the slug holes ? Selective shifting ? Sounds Shifty to me ....:Dou: :Do No:
  13. N360LL

    N360LL milehi71Stage1

    Are sonic testing and magnafluxing the same or different? I was under the impression they were the same but now I'm not so sure.
  14. DaWildcat

    DaWildcat Platinum Level Contributor

    Sonic testing measures cylinder wall thickness. Magnafluxing is a method of detecting cracks in ferrous metals.

  15. philip

    philip Well-Known Member


    The Buick community as a whole is enhanced each time you write something about our cars.

    Thanks for all you do!

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  16. N360LL

    N360LL milehi71Stage1

    So they are different. I wonder if I'm making a mistake by deburring the block for my latest engine build by not having it sonically tested? Any thoughts? BTW, AMC/Jeep 360. It shares a lot of design features with the Buick.
  17. Schurkey

    Schurkey Silver Level contributor

    The only mistake is in not doing the sonic test to determine the block's wall thicknesses BEFORE you waste a lot of time deburring a potentially useless block.

    The deburring isn't going to affect the sonic testing.
  18. Taul

    Taul Member

    Very informative thread thanks.

    I have one question: To my knowledge the 430 block and the 455 block have the same exterior dimensions, i.e. the cylinderwalls and webbings are thicker on the 430 ci. If this is correct, would you expect the 430 ci, on average to be more robust (less core shift issues) for a, say, 550 hp combo?


  19. Jim Weise

    Jim Weise 1000+HP


    Typically 430's can be bored all the way to the standard 455 bore size. (From 4.1875 to 4.312)- they have plenty of meat in the cylinder walls.

    I ran a .060 over 430 for years in my bracket cars. Made 530 HP, and lived a long time.. probably over 500 passes. I ran it for at leased 5 seasons, and freshened it once. Lost it when a stock rod broke.

    Rod upgrade was scheduled for the next freshen, but it never made it.

    Was a good motor, a little shy on the power compared to the nearly identical 464 that followed it, but that's to be expected.

  20. Taul

    Taul Member

    OK thanks.

    If the 430 has the same exterior dimensions as the 455, I would expect that in principle one should be able to bore the 430 up to whatever size that the 455's are bored to, on average. Why is it that the recommendation is to bore the 430 "only" up to 455 standard size?



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