Richard Holdener 455 testing

Discussion in 'Street/strip 400/430/455' started by Sebambam, Aug 6, 2020.

  1. Sebambam

    Sebambam Well-Known Member

    I love his stuff...
    Hes testing real life facts and creates the real life # to back it up..

    Now Richard
    got a unknown Junkyard 455 on the dyno and will do dyno tests with every mod.




    on Nitrous
     
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  2. breakinbuick11

    breakinbuick11 Platinum Level Contributor

    He’s great. 307/465 on a low compression stocker with unknown miles seems pretty good. What do we figure is lost in running accessories? (No alt/water pump/ PS pump) 10-20%?

    Roadkill garage got this motor and another 455 when they were going to build Freiburger’s 66 convert, but ended up putting it in the ‘66 “crew cab chevelle”. Freiburger has good knowledge of the 455, and I always wondered why he chose the one they ended up putting in the chevelle over this one in Richard’s video. It looked fairly rebuilt with the chrome accessories. Can’t wait to see the cam swap episode.
     
  3. Sebambam

    Sebambam Well-Known Member

    Nice.. im a huge roadkill fan. love it..
    But whats the best is that we see real life tests , real life success and real life failures.
    There is a lot of BS online of people who claim # .
    I was actually in touch with Richard and motivated him to Turbo the stock 455. He will turbo it but i am not sure if he does Bolt ons and cam 1st.
    I assume a single turbo stocker build that richard will do is in the ballpark of 3K $ ... you cant get that power with 3K$ NA build 455.
     
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  4. breakinbuick11

    breakinbuick11 Platinum Level Contributor

    Not even close.. I just hope the stock bottom end will survive under boost. Good to see he didn’t push it past 5K N/A and nitrous fed
     
  5. BQUICK

    BQUICK Gold Level Contributor

    Cast pistons with nitrous and/or turbo? Good luck......
    Also, 39deg timing may have made most power but too much IMO for engine to live on 91 octane
    For the extra 5 hp that extra timing may have added...not worth it esp on a junkyard motor.
     
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  6. johnriv67

    johnriv67 Well-Known Member

    Well it was a low compression engine, like 8.5 to 1, so that chamber is huge and needs all the timing advance help it can get
     
  7. agetnt9

    agetnt9 Agetnt9 (Dan)

    Nice to see how he is so excited and fast talking, I like him!
     
  8. hugger

    hugger Well-Known Member

    The cast pistons aren't a concern with moderate boost levels

    Turbo 3.8 pistons are cast,..they do have the steel support cast into them but cast nonetheless

    LS are hyperpistons which in theory are worse

    I would have no issue running 12lbs or so on old school cast piston,..just cant let it detonate
     
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  9. jamyers

    jamyers 2 gallons of fun

    Today's video comparing Buick torque to other big blocks is very interesting...looks like we've been right all these years, lol! (took Ch*vy 20 years to catch up, hahaha)
     
  10. Sebambam

    Sebambam Well-Known Member

    Exactly. Its proven that not the piston material is the main concern for added boost.
    It's the detonation. If you are able to control that you get a far way with cast or hypereuretic pistons.
     
  11. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    Yes, and micro processor control with knock sensors make that possible. Not so much with our engines.:)
     
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  12. hugger

    hugger Well-Known Member

    That's just where you play it safe man,....limit timing to 24° and run enough octane to cover your ass
     
  13. hugger

    hugger Well-Known Member

    I can almost guarantee I could make 800 at the crank with a stock shortblock, . It's all tune an load,...the turbo loads everything completely different,..twin 366's on 114 octane,..e85,..or pump and meth and do work!!
     
  14. BQUICK

    BQUICK Gold Level Contributor

    That was my point....doesn't take much detonation to hurt a cast or hyper piston.....or rod bearings....
    My 73 8.5 motor detonated at 34deg on 93 octane. 39 on 91 not good unless maybe it was running real cool on dyno and no heat soak like we get in the real world.
     
  15. Sebambam

    Sebambam Well-Known Member

    All very good comments.
    Thats why i love such tests as Richard does, we can speculate alot, but neither of us would really risk to blow up there motors while testing real life tests.
    Thats why we have Richard/Motortrend.

    @Larry : absoluly correct, Knock sensor plays a big role

    In general modern technology gives even us now the option to control timing throughout the whole curve with or without power adders.

    I agree with Hugger
    A stock shortblock with controlled timing (EFI and cooling ( IC or Meth inj.) could probably handle good 600+ .
     
  16. jamyers

    jamyers 2 gallons of fun

    Y'all be sure and send some love Richard's way via likes, shares, and stuffs.

    His latest:
     
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  17. BQUICK

    BQUICK Gold Level Contributor

    I like the real, balanced, unbiased the way he views things. I'm hoping that he comes to the realization that BBBs can make torque AND rev and make HP up top.
    Prob not going to happen since revving junkyard motor past 5000 with turbo doesn't look like a good idea....but hey might hang in there....
    Most of my stuff came out of junkyard so I'm game......
     
  18. Sebambam

    Sebambam Well-Known Member

    DIED ON BOOST!! now we know!

     
  19. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    Not bad, over 700 ft. lbs of torque. Didn't expect it to survive at close to 10 psi boost. That's how Csordas Jr. lunched a bunch of stock blocks on his pro charged 71.
     
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  20. Sebambam

    Sebambam Well-Known Member

    lets see if Richard decides to inspect the motor. That would tell us what went wrong.
    It still had Oil pressure and thatis good since it would have been the 1st failure source everyone would have guessed i think.
     

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