Adjustable Rear Upper Control Arms

Discussion in 'Parts wanted' started by Brett Slater, Apr 14, 2023.

  1. Brett Slater

    Brett Slater Super Moderator Staff Member

    Since my pinion angle is a mess, I figured I'd check here before buying new.

    Maybe someone has some laying around they aren't using....
     
  2. BrianTrick

    BrianTrick Brian Trick

    How is it a mess?
     
  3. hugger

    hugger Well-Known Member

    If you buy new which I suggest regardless,..TRZ has the best I've seen and are the cheapest actually,...I love Metco stuff too,..either one,..the Metco is built like a tank,...and he's a lifelong Buick guy too
     
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  4. Brett Slater

    Brett Slater Super Moderator Staff Member

    1.1 at the yoke, 1.0 at the driveshaft and 3.2 at the crank pulley.
     
  5. GS Kubisch

    GS Kubisch THE "CUT-UP" BUICK

  6. hugger

    hugger Well-Known Member

    Those are BMR arms made for summit,..have them in my pops car
     
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  7. hugger

    hugger Well-Known Member

    That's what you want,..more articulation and smoother travel
     
  8. Brett Slater

    Brett Slater Super Moderator Staff Member

    I'm waiting on a total price quote on the BMR units for sale in the link Gary posted.

    Thanks!
     
  9. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    What does the crank pulley have to do with pinion angle? You measure at the tail shaft, and at the rear pinion yoke. The tail shaft should be pointing down. Once you have that angle, then measure at the rear yoke. The pinion moves up under power. So lets say your tail shaft is pointing 2* (-2) down. You would want the rear level, because under power, it would come up 2* (+2).

    http://www.buickperformanceclub.com/Pinion.htm

    These are the ones I use,

    https://metcomotorsports.com/muc00s9

    I also use the lower ones, They are awesome pieces.

    The first year I ran my 470 at Cecil, I had a very difficult time hooking up. Had to lower the DR's down to 14 psi. It had stock upper and lower control arms. The next year, I had installed both Metco arms. The car hooked every time. They are much stronger than the stockers.

    https://metcomotorsports.com/mca0009
     
    Last edited: Apr 16, 2023
  10. Mart

    Mart Gold level member

    Larry, your uppers have poly graphite bushings & do they squeek any?
     
  11. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    No, none.
     
  12. cray1801

    cray1801 Too much is just right.

    UMI makes good upper and lowers.
    Brett your drive line angles are not a surprise. I have the same deal, but works well. Packaging is always a consideration when your engine/trans is down 3+ degrees at the rear. If your pinion is up much (for an opposite offset), the ds will hit the body or cross supports so be careful how much you go up with the pinion.
     
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  13. Brett Slater

    Brett Slater Super Moderator Staff Member

    What do you mean by packaging?
     
  14. cray1801

    cray1801 Too much is just right.

    Hi Brett, by packaging I mean getting things to fit within the chassis/existing components during suspension articulation. Ideally if your engine/trans is down 3deg. then "ideally" the rule is to have the rear up 3deg. under load (which might be 1 or 2 deg up static to allow for loaded movement upward). I can attest that this is not a hard fast rule, just desirable. :) I have the same issue but my pinion is about level, due to the limited space above the ds. My car is lowered as well contributing to this limitation.
     
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  15. CJay

    CJay Supercar owner Staff Member

    Is the angle of the crank pulley or balancer different than the angle of the yoke?
     
  16. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    Read the article I linked from George N's site.

    http://www.buickperformanceclub.com/Pinion.htm

    The best place to measure is off the end of the transmission across the seal surface. Why would you measure at the front of the engine?, How would you measure off the crank pulley or balancer? Both of them could have some run out. You are introducing a number of potential sources of of error between the front of the engine and back of the transmission.


    You are looking for the drive line angles. Measure across the rear seal surface of the transmission, and the front facing surface of the rear yoke.
     
    Last edited: Apr 20, 2023
  17. CJay

    CJay Supercar owner Staff Member

    I fully understand pinion angle. I could write the same article with my vast knowledge of the subject....but I digress

    I'm sure Brett found the most easily assessible place to put the gauge. There is some slight variance, but you should be able to get a fairly accurate reading off the balancer. I really dont think the balancer is at too much of a different angle that the optimum place to measure it. Unless Brett has a bent crankshaft....
     
  18. Gary Bohannon

    Gary Bohannon Well-Known Member

    I had to correct my driveshaft angle with transmission mount shims to equalise the u joint angles after setting pinion angle.
     
  19. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    Again, look at his measurements. How could that be fairly accurate? Why would you measure at the balancer when it is very easy to just measure off the rear transmission seal surface. Why make things difficult?
     
  20. Gary Bohannon

    Gary Bohannon Well-Known Member

    Also, my lower umi trailing arms allow for adjustment if needed.
     

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