Crazy heat wave

The Sahara desert has been growing since the 1920's.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...FjABegQIBBAF&usg=AOvVaw1cPGXZiyYheJqOTbSnPaK9

Yes, the Sahel has been getting wetter, growing in some areas but shrinking in others.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...FjACegQIAxAF&usg=AOvVaw36Vn8qJv-taTohpBhLlBrl

BUT:
Global warming can cause more precipitation in some areas. Like lake-effect snow: warmer temps = no frozen lakes = winter winds pick up moisture off open water = more snow downwind.
So yeah, warming = more snow.

Sahel gets more rain, but rest of Africa gets less, and desert increases.

Actual net effect = real bad.

 

Thst is a seriously bad argument.

First, it depends on how the data is evaluated and what areas you are including and how you account for other factors.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...FjAEegQIBBAF&usg=AOvVaw2nA4N8ORZJDLSgaAjTD7_w

Similarly, one could argue that WAY more people in the US drown than die of thirst, so a major drought might be a good thing.
Almost identically ridiculous "logic".

 

Nice quote online:
The problem with this scenario is threefold: first, dinosaurs were clearly better adapted than modern humans to living in hot, humid conditions, and second, they had literally millions of years to adjust to rising global temperatures. Third, and most important, while dinosaurs as a whole survived the extreme conditions of the later Mesozoic Era, not all of them were equally successful: hundreds of individual genera went extinct during the Cretaceous period. By the same logic, you can argue that human beings will have "survived" global warming if some human descendants are still alive a thousand years from now--even if billions of people perished in the interim from thirst, floods, and fire.

Another point: evidently the sun itself is brighter than 100 million years ago, so same CO2 level = higher temps.

ALSO:
The problem with this type of reasoning, once again, is that dinosaurs were dinosaurs and people are people. Just because big, dumb reptiles weren't particularly bothered by high carbon-dioxide levels and regional plunges in temperature doesn't mean that humans will have a comparable day at the beach. For instance, unlike dinosaurs, humans depend on agriculture--just imagine the impact of a prolonged series of droughts, wildfires and storm surges on global food production--and our technological and transportation infrastructure depends, to a surprising extent, on climatic conditions remaining roughly the same as they have been for the last 50 to 100 years.


The fact is that the survival or the ability to adapt of dinosaurs offers virtually no useful lessons for a modern human society that is just beginning to wrap its collective mind around the fact of global climate change. The one lesson we can indisputably learn from the dinosaurs is that they went extinct--and that hopefully, with our bigger brains, we can learn to avoid that fate.

 

I'm not sure that using the extinction of the Dinosaurs as an example of a failed species is a great argument. Dinosaurs lasted about 165,000,000 years, Humans about 300,000 so far.
On another note - the Kyoto protocol was based on emissions that could largely be controlled by Humans. Water vapor is actually a greater problem then carbon dioxide, but there's not much we can do about seawater evaporating. One messy little problem is that with global climate change (warming) we get more water, and with more water we get more water vapor which (along with CO2) traps heat. In other words, global warming begets more global warming.

 

Humans are very hard to kill we are too complicated we will survive no matter what happens to the planet we will get thru it.

 

Must you insult everyone who doesn't agree with you? Does it make you feel better?

 

Maybe you need a nap

 

Pretty sure the mods will agree, that is a low blow, but not surprising coming from you, you seem to specialize in them.

 

Nothing but a keyboard warrior, you wouldn't say that **** to someones face, but if you did, you'd have a fat lip and a bloody nose. Some stuff you can't take back and you crossed the line.

 

As was mentioned earlier, it is likely that some of us will survive. The powerful and resourceful will find a way to endure, but that doesn't mean that a mass Human extinction cannot or will not occur; if any change in climate means reduced food production, those without resources or access to food will die off. In a worst-case scenario, that could mean billions of Human deaths.

 

We had the heat wave here in MN a few weeks ago, several high temp records were broken. But all is back to normal now, today mid 70’s and no humidity. I think I will go for a cruise!

 

I really have no idea what you're so charged up about. You need to chill out