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That is very true. Thats basically what I tell my friends who spend way too much money on thier cars and end up with a VP-powered garage statue that is a pain in the ass to drive.

I do love the feeling of a monster motor shoving you back in your seat so much all you can do is hang on for the ride though... LOL.

:3gears:

 

Glad to see we were able to give you as much info on your choices as possible. The stage two heads are awsome and allow some great big HP numbers. I just wanted to be sure you recieved all the options available whether it be the cost or the quality. Gessler can give you some of the best and latest testing results and experienced opinion. Good luck with your build and be sure to keep us informed of your progress.

Steve

 

I used the Edelbrock's on my build with a street/strip port and polish and am pleased so far. It's only been installed and running in my car for 2 days so I don't have much to go on.... it made really good dyno numbers though!

 

Soon enough I'll post up some pictures of the build.

I'll keep everyone informed. I do plan on sticking around here since this is a great site. I was here for a while, a few years back, but I just recently got back into it.

 

I look forward to meeting you at moroso Scott, it should be fun to show some more Buick muscle out there. Glad your build is up and running, dyno numbers look great. I imagine you have me beat by around 30 HP but if we ever get to line them up it should be a great time.

Steve

 

Sounds great Steve !!

:beer

 

So I spoke to Gessler today, and I am definitely leaning towards the Level 3 TA Stage 2 head package offered by gessler for $3050 for the SE and $3150 for the TE.

The information I got from Gessler:

Iron heads can go 10's on pump gas (93), but the work required will be as much as buying the aluminum edelbrock head package. Also the clearance has to be as little as possible to get good swirl, quench in there.......

Edelbrocks- Can, without a doubt, go low 11's with a level 2-3 porting job. The exhaust port can be opened up, but the power is in the intake port, which can be opened up nicely. These heads can and will make the 600 hp mark set up the right way.

TA's- Will get me to the 11.0 mark no problem, and the difference would be- later on, if I wanted to go faster, the level 3 setup would allow me to do so, with a little more head work, or if I had the stage 2 SE or TE's the work would be minimal to none, as the heads would be up to par and I would concentrate on other stuff to get deeper into the 10's or better.

This is my understanding of the phone call, relating to my build, but maybe it'll help others out too. Thanks for all the other good info everyone! :beers2: :TU:

:3gears:

 

Looks like you have had plenty of input on the heads..

So here's the rest of the stuff you need, to make your 600 HP goal happen.

http://www.trishieldperf.com/level_2a_engine.htm

Pay careful attention to shortblock rotating parts, block durablity mods, carb, intake and cam selection

600 HP on pump gas is possible, but there are no shortcuts, and it is not easy to actually get there..

JW

 

Jim what would that motor do with more compression, other than require better gas? I mean hp/tq wise.
Thanks Rick

 

Not much, until you get to the 12.5 or more range..

In that past, we took a version of this motor with a 308 cam in it.. via headgaskets went from 11.5 to 10.5 compression on the dyno..

Lost a mere 11 HP/12 ft/lbs torque

That's a small change, with a motor that was making 625HP..

JW

 

Thanks for the info Jim,

I have a local buick guy who will do my build, with some of his input that does save $$$ and help me out, and being about 8-10 miles away, no shipping either! :TU: :grin:

Now I just wish I could know what that cam grind is uzzled: lol. He has one of his own "special" 455 cam grinds but I'm not sure how good it is... I like the 308S because I know a few people who have this cam and their cars run STRONG. So I'm not 100% on my cam yet, but I know I'll need something serious for this build...

Anyways- how ciritcal is the cryo-freezing of the block in a build of this spec? And about the timing cover- can a stock one be helped out or will I really need the TA one? I'm not opposed to it, but any cost-savings help me out ou: lol

Thanks again Jim.

 

Hey Matt, just out of curiosity whose the local Buick guy doing your motor?
Good luck with the build. My opinion is concentrate on the car first (suspension, rear and trans.), and worry about the motor later. It's easier for the motor to grow into a better set up car. Otherwise you'll have more down time fixing broken stuff. If money is an issue, wait. Don't make rash decisions and buy stuff once. Alot of guys on here have done this once or twice. Learn from our mistakes.

We all want to go fast, but you get what you pay for. See you soon.

Dom

 

I'm just tagging along. This is the best head disscusion I have seen so far. I'm wanting to build a drag car that can grow faster over time. And I want to build it to run 10's or even high 9's but I want to start off running 12's.

 

Hey dom, how you been?!

Yeah I know what you're saying here... I posted this thinking "why not?"

I'm still collecting facts and figures and the car is still a work in progress, currently I've got a bare body and almost bare frame, with a huge heap of parts... including the rear, and I think I'm going to get a better trans, and yeah I did hear the same thing from Greg Gessler, to get heads that can "grow" and get set up and running first. I've got a bonus coming soon from work, and a good amount saved, so lets see if I can get those level 3 TE's :grin: And the local guy, who I've been referred to many times, I've spoken to him and all I have to do is get one of my 455 blocks and cranks to him, and let him do the rest, his name is John Gunn and he's in the LaGrange area...

Anyways- I'm wondering... I think I'll need a block girdle, but will I also need the TA lifter bore girdle as well? And about the cryo-freezing... I can get away safe without right?

Dom- don't you have the TA front cover? I can't remember... I think I'll get one soon... unless someone says otherwise...

 

Matt, I am one of the many that have no block girdle, no lifter girdle, no block fill and I'm using a stock front cover. I have my fingers crossed and I have about 65 passes on the motor and a few hundred street miles on it. We'll see. If you keep RPM's conservative, i don't think any of tht stuff is necessary. You start spinning around 7000 and you may have issues. Spend the money elsewhere.

 

Thats what I've been told by others as well, I thought at the minimum I'd need the front cover, and yeah, my RPMs will be very conservative... the car won't see that much track action, and it might never see slicks but once a year if I went to a buick event... I just want a beastly motor to have some fun with, maybe I'm going to far for a weekend hot rod but I'd like to see 600 hp. Thats always been my goal since I bought the car... a 600 horse monster hot rod to have some fun in... thanks for your input so far, everyone :grin: :beer

 

You got someone to give you a smoken deal on working a set of iron
heads over. Alot of people that ported iron heads that start with bare
casting when they are complete with Vavles and Springs louded up
so when you get them you just have to Bolt them on at that Flow
Level or better are $2200 +

Edelbrock RPMS We just got from Edelbrock Flow out of the Box Here in
Denver,Colorado We only Flowed the Exhaust at .500 and .550 lift
I am shure they could out Flow a Iron heads with the right Port work.

Intake Exhaust

.200 130.1
.300 197.9
.400 250.3
.500 271.1 174.5
.550 272.0 177.9
.600 275.0
.650 277.9
.700 278.5