I feel that you are being harder on the victim than the criminal, and I feel that this is backwards. I guess we have to agree to disagree. -Bob C.
ten convictions ? four years ? that should've been life w/o parole. maybe when he kills a family it will be. thats sad. if the world was serious about this, bars wouldnt have parking lots. intoxication starts with the first drink, i dont care what anyone says. booze is nothing more than spoiled food products. its poison, poison i tell ya. i never touch the stuff.
hey i got 2 DUI,s under my belt you guys must really hate me. :laugh: here in Mass every car on the road has to be insured.
I've never heard of the "Smith system", but was instructed by my drivers ED teacher in that manner. My wife used to Bi!#h at me for "looking away" from the road so often. Untill it saved us from being T-boned by a F350. Still to this day, I'll catch her "Zoning" only on whats in front, but not that often anymore. I personally believe that it should be 3 strikes and your out. DUI, 3rd time and you don't drive EVER again. There's just NO EXCUSE for driving drunk. Rember.. Driving is a Privlage.. Not a right. If you can't afford to have auto insurance then you have no right to be on the road... I don't care about any arguments to attempt to justify it, because you can't. Take the BUS, Walk, Hell I did when I couldn't afford the high risk insurance. If you're caught driving without it, and can't prove that you had it, then your car should be towed and after 60 days you still don't have insurance, auctioned off. Like the drug cars. In Florida you also can't register a car without insurance, but that doesn't stop driving without plates, or just getting insurance and cancelling it after you've gotten your tag. I hate Florida drivers, I can't even count the number of kids I see not in car seats everyday, or riding on laps in the front..... Ooohhh this is a bad subject for me. They're lucky I'm not a cop. I also think that the punishment should be decided by the VICTIMS FAMILY or the VICTIM themself, if one is killed or injured. But that'll never happen, nobody's willing to support the "an EYE FOR AN EYE" way of thinking. Although... I do like the fork idea :TU: Anybody for going back to the "Wild West" way of solving problems like this???
KILL them??!? You guys are horrible!! I mean seriously... :spank: ...think of all those perfectly good organs going to waste. Now if we use them as spare parts everybody wins. I think we can all agree that parting out a bad car is better than letting it be crushed...
John, same here in ND. In fact, every year when we renew our registrations, the form states that by signing it, we confirm that the vehicle is insured as required by state law. Of course, that doesn't keep people from letting insurance lapse and driving anyway. No one knows unless they get in an accident...
" booze is nothing more than spoiled food products. its poison, poison i tell ya. i never touch the stuff. " Ain't nothing like a coule of beers with your mates... it's all how you handle it, some people are just not compatible with it.
It all boils down to people not being held responsible for their actions. The penalties for repeat offenders need to include mandatory jail time, and I don't mean this weekends in jail slap on the wrist. In most of the fatals involving alcohol I investigated, it was usually an innocent person doing what they were supposed to who paid the price with their life, not the drunk. Here is a picture of the last DWI accident I responded to. Fortunately, nobody got hurt, including the driver who parked his car between the rails of I-85. In the process of getting him out of the car and cleaning the mess up, two engines worth of firefighters, an ambulance crew, a tow truck drivers, and three of my squad exposed themselves to traffic moving at speed just one lane away. Despite being in a nasty curve late at night, we managed to avoid any additional serious accidents. There was a minor one, however, right next to one of the big red trucks. The driver of the olds blew almost three times the legal limit. :rant:
I'm not being harder on the victim, I'm being realistic. We don't even kill the people that admit that they've killed people, why would we kill people that kill others by getting drunk? I know a guy that killed 3,000+ americans but has gotten away with it so I doubt a mandatory death penalty for drunk driving+manslaughter will happen anytime soon. It's not to say that it shouldn't be a law though either.
stats If the national average is 25 % with out insurance then there are 1893 people on this board with out insurance.....hmmmmm.
Driving without insurance and being drunk are world's apart. If you are driving while uninsured that doesn't automatically make you a danger on the road. Yes, you are breaking the law and are a financial risk should something occur. When you are drunk you are knowingly getting behind the wheel physically impaired and are at risk to cause bodily harm or even death. Let's not assume that just because one is insured that everything is fine. The reality is we are sharing the road with a lot of insured folks that in my opinion aren't capable of operating a vehicle. Example, a couple of days ago I'm behind this 80's Caddy coming off of I-75 where traffic had been moving at 65+ coming out of downtown. We are behind the guy at the light when my wife notices that not only is the guy and his girl not wearing belts but the guy is actually driving while holding a very young baby in his arms with it's head resting on his left arm up against the window. :spank: More than likely he was probably insured. People forget that driving is not a right.
Well of course we should kill people who admit they have killed others! The criminal should ALWAYS suffer more than the victim. When you say "It's not to say that it shouldn't be a law though either", you are essentially admitting that you are afraid to advocate change here. Why? If you want to "be realistic", then face the reality that we are in a society where people are not punished for their crimes- like this moron in Texas (see the other thread). He essentially ruined three lives, and his punishment will be an "inconvenice" (i.e. go to jail) for a few years then he will be back to normal. Is that the reality you are happy with? If you compromise your position, then you are already letting those people who feel sorry for the criminals win. Make them do the compromising! Don't be afraid. I am not criticizing your opinion, cody- only pointing out that if you believe in something, then advocate it. If you compromise because it is "realistic" then you will never be able to persuade someone. If you believe that criminals should suffer less than victims, then fine- advocate that because its what you believe (not because its "realistic"). If you compromise every position in which you believe, you wil l never persuade anyone. On the other hand, if you believe that criminals should suffer more than the victims (like I do), then advocate it. If you start with a compromised position, you will only be forced to compromise further! Then you will lose. -Bob Cunningham
dont get me started on the crime and punishment system, if a guy is breaking into your house and hurts himeself, HE can sue you and win. I lost three cars to uninsured motorists (two were drunks).:rant: and the insurance companys are worse, wifie got hit by someone with insurance, happend to be the SAME insurance company as mine.... police sighted other car as cause and they got three tickets to boot, everyone was a-ok but my aerostar was lunch meat. You would figure since they didnt have to haggle with the other insurance company (their no 1 excusse) it would go smoothly..... NOT. book value for my van was like 9g's all day everywhere; insurance said 3.5G's based on replacement values in the area. ?!? wtf does that mean? The said they audited the local paper for a replacement van and avaraged the prices listed for what market value is. OK, what vans did you use, I inquired to replace my van. One had a blown trans, one was a delivery van, and the thrid was rotted around the windows. none were even near my option level and milage ..... :spank: got 7.5 out of em, by stong arming them, and them what a shock I wasnt at fault but THEY dropped ME! thats OK got the van for 1 g anyway. Any lastly How do you defend yourself aganst being hit by a drunk off duty cop in a state car?????? :ball: when your a 17 year old kid. Welcome to my teen life. Jon
Should they be punished more than they are? Yes. Will they be? No. That's my position and always has been.
