Overspray from body color to cowl ?

How much overspray got to the exposed cowl area ? My car was cheaply repainted in the past and I can't really tell . Would all black exposed be alright? How about the trim tag ? All natural or oversprayed. Any help appreciated, Kevin.

 

there is no overspray on the cowl, it is solid black. trim tag is painted black also. (semi-gloss)

 

Thanks ! Simple enough.:beer

 

Wo now. Trim tags were not painted on most Flint cars! Lots of post on this. All I have seen were bare aluminum. Real sloppy mask job on sides of tag from factory as well. I have also seen many junkyard skylarks with some body color creeping on the cowl from under the fender.

 

Here's some fun reading on trim tags. I'm convinved mine was masked off, but at this point I believe either way is acceptable for a concours car.

I do have overspray through the vents at the back of the hood on to the lip on the underside of the hood. I don't believe I have any overspray across the width of the cowl itself of body color. It would seem as though the hood was painted before the hood was assembled.

 

with all the cars i have seen. everyone one of them has had the cowl tag painted completely. they have all been flint cars. my gs and my sportwagon which are both flint cars also ,are painted black. from those pics on the other thread those look like the paint has flaked off. paint dosent stick to smooth,almost polished tin. there is no reason for them to take the time to mask off just the trim tag. what would be the point??

the hoods were painted off the car, bottom first then the top side was painted so yes you'll get over spray down the vents and on the back of the hood. if you look in the assy. manual it tells how the hood is supposed to be painted.

 

My all original '72 Flint built Sun Coupe has a bare tag. Looks like it was masked off in a hurry, as the tape or whatever wasn't exactly parallel and square to the tag. It also has orange overspray on the cowl area in places.

 

So the bottom line is, if you wish to re-create sometimes done, sloppy factory work, then have at it.. but there is no guideline called out in any assembly manual. This, among many things, is open to observation.. but as Rick said, most cars that we have seen, had a painted tag, with the holes sealed with butyl tape.

I have yet to have a customer want to spend near 6 figures, and have it look tacky.. but I never say never..


JW

 

Duane!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

I am so glad, that for something like the 3rd time, everyone has agreed unanimously as to how these tags were painted.

I know how the tag was painted on my 71, and where the staggers in my GSX stripes were located, and that is how it will be done on my car. Will all the judges understand this, I really don't think so.

In the past most owners have tended to over-restore their cars, and no points have been deducted for this. As to the future, ask one of the judges not me, I plan on being a participant.
Duane

 

:laugh:

That's what makes it all fun, my friend!

 

Jim . I don't " wish to recreate sometimes done , sloppy factory work ." My tag appears to have been masked off AND have some Stratomist paint on the edge. When it was painted white sometime in the past , this appears to be one area that didn't get oversprayed. I'm just wondering if I should mask it off. I think if that's the way it came I'm going to leave it. If I paint it , or clean it totally , NEITHER way is correct , right ? I'm just preserving what the factory did , be it sloppy or not.

 

Kevin,

I wasn't intending to be sarcastic.. sorry it appears that your taking it that way.

From the pic of your cowl tag, I wouldn't bet the ranch that tag did not have paint on it at some point in time, as that would suggest a cause for half the tag being real shiny.. the paint has come off.. paint never stuck well to that smooth aluminum.

I would suspect that a tag that was never painted, would show a fair amount of corrosion, considering the condition of the cowl it is sitting on..

But your correct, any way you wish to restore it I would consider "correct", and anyone would be hard pressed to say that it would be "incorrect".

JW

 

If I had the six figures to spend, I'd want it everybit as "tacky" as it REALLY was from the factory. Just my personal opinion, but to me an over-restored car is just as much a "custom" as one that is candy-apple red with 22" wheels.

 

If that were the standard your drive shaft and part of your hogs head will be rusted. They rusted almost in route before sale. Your cowl tag paint may be half flaked off. No too would be the same because no too experienced the same exposure, the same sloppy painter on the line etc.

Somewhere you have to draw the line in a concours resto. If you look at the cars those out there JW's view is almost the rule and not the exception. I have been to Bloomington for the Vettes and Hebron for the MOPARS. There are some no more no less cars restored cars out there for Mopars and Vettes but they too are in the vast minority.It is easy to be an imperfectionist when you are talking about spending some else's money.

 

The moment that a car has been restored or shows signs of use it is no longer original -period. So forget about attempting to achieve absolute originality in a restored car because a car is original only once in it's manufactured life.

These cars were designed and engineered by talented people with a vision of all work being performed well. I personally do not want to recreate or enjoy viewing the assembly line blunders, short-cuts or general inconsistent / sloppy workmanship. I do not get excited about seeing rust on suspension components, even if the rust is a recreation of the way cars were delivered 35 years ago.

Reminds me of a conversation I had with a Vette fanatic who owned a 67 big block concours car with a badly misaligned hood. He said the misalignment was "correct". The guy next to him who also owned a 67 said the misalignment was correct but that this one was too badly misaligned and therefore "not correct". The two Vette fellows got into an argument over a small run in the paint on the underside of the hood, one guy said it was period correct and the other argued that it was not. I stood there wondering if the two fanatics considered the "Friday beer for lunch effect" in their recreations.

My point is that this all gets way too absurd verging on compulsive. Do what you like and enjoy the result.

 

I was just about to mention the factory paint runs dilemma, Thompson vesus Saginaw suspension components, rivets in the ball joints or did you settle for bolts like the replacements, poor body panel gaps etc. Show me a car, even a concours car, and I will show you a owner and a restorer that somewhere had to make some of these tough choices and many more. Nothing like have been there like Larry has and and having to fund the tar baby to make you appreciate how tough it is and how you are not going to ever put it back like it was. It is rather just your interpretation and approximation.

 

And I am waiting for the guy who steps up with the funds to create such a car.. It would actually be easier to allow sloppy work to pass, any form of "perfection or something realitively close" is much harder to achieve, and maintain, during the restoration process.

We are well aware of the actual condition these cars left the factory in, in regards to paint flaws, partially painted components, overspray, runs ect..and I am not saying we would not recreate that if the customer desired such a thing. There are two gentlemen on this thread that have I have build 3 six figure cars for, and they wanted no part of that, and I could not fault them for it.

But I disagree that any of those cars are in the catagory of what you describe, but of course that's open to personal preference and interpretation, and that is part of this hobby, regardless of which end of the spectrum your building a car toward.

JW

 

Restoring a car to concours condition is one thing, but maintaining a survivor is something completely different. My car came with a bare tag and it's going to stay that way.
:TU:

 

And there is certainly nothing wrong with that. :beer

JW