What? uzzled: Read the article again. It says the car is capable of 13.7 from the factory floor. It was made to run 12.8 with slicks and headers! How is that a fair comparison with anything on the 50 Fastest List!? Don't bother me with the details, my minds made up?
Was just select magazines used for that list? Supercars Annual '69 (by the editors of CARS Magazine) shows a 1969 SS 396 Camaro going 13.00 @108.62 mph. 396/375 w/alum. heads, 4-speed, 4.88 gears, and F-70-14 fiberglass belted tires. Test weight given as 3300 lbs. 12.62@108.86 w/slicks. 1968 Hemi Darts had fiberglass front ends (hood, fenders), thin light weight glass, no window cranks, no carpet, no sound deadener, no heater, no radio, single exhaust, no back seat, magnesium intake, etc. I don't know, but if that car weights 3200 lbs., a normal Dart with a 383 (or 440 in '69) would have to weight a lot.
Its debatable whether or not the slicks even helped. The stock Polyglas's as we all know are capabe of 11.0 passes. You got me on the headers, those arent stock. Although there are a couple of cars on that list that did have headers installed.
Mark, John, and JKC, you guys are on the right track. Factory originals, just like right off the showroom floor, is what I was thinking about. Take me back too the Fall of 1969, when the '70 models where just rolling in. Joe X.
You are close Mark, to be exact I ran 12.59, 12.58, 12.56 at the fall PSMCDR with my Buick and yes it will pass teardown tech. It's a stock bore block with a bit of compression but well within the NHRA specs and a .490 lift cam to be within NHRA specs. I went back to Stanton 10/9/05 and ran a bit quicker and faster but not on a par with Bob K's Hemi Cuda. I like the ideas that have been presented here to do some real comparisons. In fact I am tentatively planning on attending the Buick Horsepower Nationals at Indy. I did put slicks on and had no improvement in et. I think they were too short as the mph dropped off. Gonna have to get some taller ones but running on the G-70's is soooooo much fun.
I hate to hijack this thread *yet again*, but I'm gonna anyway... Donny and/or Wayne (or any of the rest of you folks who like to read old road tests)...you might try picking up the July '69 issue of Car Craft. While looking for the L88 weight/info, I thumbed through it and had forgotten how packed full this issue is...they test "every" body/engine/trans/rear/accessory in the '69 Corvette model line...like 10 or 11 Corvette road tests in all, including the L71, L88, and *gasp* ZL1 Corvette. There's also road tests on the '69 Boss 429 Mustang, the '69 Hurst-Olds, and the '69.5 440-6 SuperBee. Interesting reading, to say the least, very interesting... :Brow: --------------------- Hillbilly Racing Team "Where sleeves are optional..."
Those magazines sure were a lot better back in the day than they are now, weren't they?! Lots of good info, not much fluff. You can tell they put out the magazine for the reader, not the advertisers.
Tires I agree that the tires TODAY are not as much change from repo bias ply's to slicks on the glued tracks we run on if there is lots of drag rubber still down on the luanch pad. Back then though the tracks were rarely glued unless you brought your own and the bias ply's were made out of iron. I work in the rubber industry and let me tell you there is no comparison from the old tires to the modern ones molded in modern compounds. Apples and rocks on this one. Slicks were a big help to the GS in the test. The headers did not drop .9 a second on there own. Plus Dave easily has that time covered on new bias ply's. Sorry Dave for shorting you a hard earned tenth. Those get harder to come by each year. Mark
January 2006 HOT ROD Magazine has a story about what they call "DRAG WEEK". 5 race tracks in 5 days. You had to drive your race car to each track. No trailer or support vehicle. A fellow named Steve Atwell entered a 1968 Hurst Hemi Dart. 484 cu. in., and 11.5 to 1 comp. On Mickey Thompson ET Streets his best time was 10.67 @ 125.60 mph. His slowest time was 11.32 @ 120.01. Story says Mr. Atwell put in a regular windshield to protect the thin windshield that came in these cars. May have been to protect Mr. Atwell also!
Tom N: as I type we are putting together a car for that very event (Drag Week)...another *real deal* Yenko car, that should surprise a LOT of people... :Brow: --------------------- Hillbilly Racing Team "Where sleeves are optional..."
No problem Mark, I have a hard enough time keeping track of my own exploits let alone trying to keep track of some one elses. Best 60' with G-70's, 1.89. Best 60' with slicks , 1.83. Both runs were made on the same day with the stock converter. Best 60' with slicks and 3500 stall converter 1.63, this run was made earlier in the year. I have done a lot of experimenting to find the right combination of parts and when running the G-70's I am led back to the stock pieces.
Hemi vs GS I AM IN! 1970 Hemicuda 4 Spd. Pure Stock 1970 Hemi Road Runner F.A.S.T. One of the best match ups I had last year was at E-town in July against Gregs Buick. After every round we faced off. The Mopar and Buick boys would come over to our pits and praize the winner of that round we had fun. Gregs Best that day was 11.44 my best was 11.40 so it was close every round. Greg beat me two out of three :spank: I am ready to give it back :laugh:
Rear Gear PPPJJJFFF my car is an original super track pack car so it has the Dana with a 4.10. The Hemi and Dana are a good start, the ps, pdb, sound group, console, am reverb, remote mirrors and the like make it one heavy car. I would expect as a loaded Hemi E body with my youthful growth continueing around my waist istead of height it will weigh 4100ish pounds. Give or take a few. Mark
Mine is equipped the same way! (A34). I would also agree your car is no light-weight. Every bit of 3900lbs. My car came from the factory with a T/A hood ordered and installed on the car. A hemi-car like yours. I will enjoy watching you race it at an upcoming event! I may have to consider joining you in the future at these events. Good luck to you and the GS Stage 1 car. It should be fun. The format sounds great! Patrick
