Last time I reply to you. A) Seller; "When I purchased the car it already had the stage 1 badges . The research I have done tells me it’s not even though the car was assembled in Flint Michigan". He used a run-on sentence denying in one part then correctly stating Stage 1's were built in Flint. He made a confusing statement - all he had to do was say no, it is not a Stage 1, case closed. I asked him to stop confusing people, separate those statements and answer them, that's all. B) My business is my business. C) My cars are usually spoken for before I even buy them. Yes, you need a shrink...
Hell I could take my mothers 70 Skylark, and turn it into a 70 stage 1 and everything looks correct it could score 400 points in a concourse judging.
Private sales are rare. You see, the problem with being patient in this case: 1. A seller who is intentionally confusing people - The seller states, "...As for the stage 1 I never stated it was a true stage 1...". 2. An auction house that has bidders (shills) who do nothing but place bids to keep the bid moving. Check their records, most of these guys have 500 bids on 450 auctions and never intended to win one of them. 3. An auction house that has members (shills) who do nothing but make either flattering comments to keep the auction interesting or who make erroneous/confusing comments to keep the little truth's away. Check their records, most of these guys have 1,000+ comments and no bids, no sales - heck one guy has over 3K comments, no sales and 70 bids (all of which were 1 and 2 bids per auction with no intention on winning).
Are you 2caddiesandaMach1 on BaT? Aug 30 at 9:30 AM 2caddiesandaMach1 This author's likes: 3,327 Hey @BaT @bringatrailer, I don’t want to muddy up the auction of this fine automobile, but I wanted to call to your attention that member @Chesapeakechris is on another forum I’m a member of (I’m 1972Mach1 on there, he is still Chesapeakechris) calling into question not only the integrity of this seller, as he has done on other auctions from your site, but also Bring a Trailer’s integrity as a whole. I’m curious as to your response to his claim that you not just mark his comments or questions as “not constructive”, but just delete them entirely, and it seems you do it systematically to him….Again, sorry to post this here, but I promised @Chesapeakechris I would, and I am a man of my word, and I hate to see anyone’s sale/auction getting sabotaged directly here, or anywhere else. Thanks. Here is a link to the thread on the other forum. Please feel free to read: https://www.v8buick.com/index.php?threads/70-gs-455-convertible.389027/
I used to follow the car auctions, but they give no respect to Buick Car’s in general. Especially Mecum. If I ever sell my car, it will be a private sale !
There's that reading comprehension thing you seem to have an issue with again, Chris. I clearly state I'm 1972Mach1 on here as 2caddiesandaMach1 on there....did you think someone else would post exactly what I said I was going to post about on BaT last night, today? That would be an odd coincidence, would it not?
Well, as they say "I don't have a horse in this race" but want to comment on the use of the word "FAKE" to describe this GS. While there are a number of dictionaries, the Oxford version states the definition of the word FAKE as follows: "an object that is made to look real or valuable in order to deceive people" So, I submit that the GS455 convertible in question is not a fake since the seller clearly states that it is only badged as a Stage 1 and not an original. There was no deceit intended. I read the BaT listing before reading this thread and that fact was clear to me so I say "no harm, no foul". IMO it is not wrong to add options to a GS, including the Stage 1 option, as long as the options added are disclosed as added during restoration or some other time after the car was manufactured. Many of us have added options to our GSs. My current GS455 Sloan docs show it was delivered with G78x14 tires, hub caps, no F41 suspension, rim-blower steering wheel, no remote mirrors, and 2.93 open rear end. It was restored with all the good stuff, chrome valve covers, F41, 15 inch rallye wheels, rallye steering wheel, and a 3.42 posi. It wasn't badged as a Stage 1 but had it been, I still would have bought it as all the additions were correctly done and were clearly stated as having been added during the restoration. My story board at car shows clearly states options added after it was built. I submit that cars like this should be referred to as tributes, clones, replicas, copies, etc. It's only a fake if the owner/seller tries to present it as the real thing in order to deceive the public. I'll climb off my soap box now.
Mr Soap Box, My first step with the seller was to call it a clone, but he refused and BaT deleted my request. After my further questions were deleted, I began to use the word fake...
Two fender badges, chrome valve covers, and an emissions sticker on a GS455 does not a clone make. All of the information was presented to make an informed decision. Are you really trying to protect other buyers, or just drive the price down by keeping them from bidding?
With all due respect, two Stage 1 fender badges on a GS455 is all it takes to call it a clone. An authentic Stage 1 option can add $50K to $100K in today's market, depending on condition.
The question was asked - and answered honestly. Anything more is beating a dead horse. Don't like the way it's presented? Smart enough to not be duped? Don't bid on it. But it's not cool to continue publicly disparaging the car, owner, and third party auction house solely for your own benefit.
I disagree... "Solely for your own benefit"? Who are you to point a finger? The truth is "cool" any **** day. Take this into consideration, I haven't purchased one car from BaT. If you understood the auction industry, you wouldn't even bother with this...
Sometime "fools" are simply well meaning, honest people. I see both sides here. The BaT seller was walking the fence in the textual gymnastics. While to us Buick addicts, a lot of stuff is plain as day, if it were me, when the seller said the following: "When I purchased the car it already had the stage 1 badges . The research I have done tells me it’s not even though the car was assembled in Flint Michigan.". I simply would have said "Okay thanks so it is confirmed as an non Stage 1 thank you". End of story. I think the seller when indicating "....even though it was assembled in Flint.." could have been simply pointing out that he knows all Stage 1's were built there and that even though this was also built there, from all his research, it is not a Stage 1. This is all pretty easy to see, but not worth losing friendships over..
Yep, I stand by my statement - all of this nonsense is for your own benefit. Once the first question was answered, who stands to gain anything by talking about it further? Bidders. Otherwise it has a negative affect on the value of all of our Buicks. Who am I? An independent observer of public comments. Just because you haven't bought anything through a BaT auction, doesn't mean you haven't tried (17 times). And I do understand the industry - too well. That's why I just watch. Now go ahead have the last word.
Maybe mind your own business? The listing is fine, and your suggestions/orders are absurd. It's clear to ANYONE with a bit of brain that it's not a Stage 1. It is a real GS455.
First off I tell you to go scratch if you said the car is a clone. The car is originally a GS 455 convertible, It’s not a skylark convertible cloned to a GS.
