AFR Tuning: A Holley Carburetor Journey

Discussion in 'The Bench' started by johnriv67, Mar 24, 2021.

  1. DaWildcat

    DaWildcat Platinum Level Contributor

    Room for collector extensions, perhaps? Regardless, it would mean physically relocating the evac/collector connection downstream a bit, so there's be some "cutting & pasting" involved for at least that connection, possibly that and the O2 bung, both.

    Devon
     
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  2. johnriv67

    johnriv67 Well-Known Member

    But the header vac system would be upstream of the collector extensions. Nullifying the point, right? And let’s see....I just blocked the driver side vac system, and installed 84/94 jets. Let’s see where it takes us on a nice cruise
     
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  3. DaWildcat

    DaWildcat Platinum Level Contributor

    Another possibility would what you tried previously, finding a way to disable the evac system temporarily to tune the carb, then re-enable evac and don't worry about wide-band readings anymore (remove sensors, plug the sensor bungs).

    Devon
     
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  4. DaWildcat

    DaWildcat Platinum Level Contributor

    And I didn't consider this, your comment just spurred me. how about O2 sensor on one side only, evac on the other side only? I was thinking you might be running two sensors.

    Maybe evac on one side is enough?

    Devon
     
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  5. DasRottweiler

    DasRottweiler -BuickAddict-

    Tune it with evap plugged on driver side,
    Then pull sensor , plug bunghole and add race fuel....
    Off to the races......JIM
     
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  6. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member


    The only problem with that is the tune on Race Gas and the tune on E10 will differ.
     
  7. johnriv67

    johnriv67 Well-Known Member

    Just thrashed it a little. Plugged on drivers side, with 84/94, still 11.5-12:1 rich at cruise, and approximately 15+ at WOT, and only getting leaner as the rpms climb
     
  8. DaWildcat

    DaWildcat Platinum Level Contributor

    Has the fuel pressure question already been asked?

    Devon
     
  9. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    Good question Devon, I don't remember seeing that, but I might have missed it. That would explain a lot.
     
  10. johnriv67

    johnriv67 Well-Known Member

    7 psi, and carries 7 psi through the whole run. It’s a very large pump. I can watch it fill my front and rear bowls with sight glass in about 2 seconds
     
  11. johnriv67

    johnriv67 Well-Known Member

    Should I fully block my secondary high speed air bleeds?
     
  12. john.schaefer77

    john.schaefer77 Well-Known Member

    After 2 carbs and the wild tuning without satisfactory results it seems as the constant is your AFR gauge. I know they are a great aid for tuning, I have never had the money to get one. I have tuned the old fashioned way.

    Is the car breaking up when "going lean"? How long do you pull showing lean, or are are you lifting as soon as you floor it?
     
  13. johnriv67

    johnriv67 Well-Known Member

    I am lifting pretty quickly after I floor it, within a second of flooring it
     
  14. BQUICK

    BQUICK Gold Level Contributor

    I like to tune full throttle with EGT rather than AFR gauge. Needs to be in ballpark first tho....
     
  15. DaWildcat

    DaWildcat Platinum Level Contributor

    I meant to get back earlier. I'm swimming in 2020 Corvette stuff at work, but I have peers with huge experience in all of our gearhead stuff, so I'm sending them over to look at this thread.

    Not giving up!

    Devon
     
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  16. johnriv67

    johnriv67 Well-Known Member

    I think it's time I call Holley, Proform, Quick Fuel, you name it...
     
  17. DaWildcat

    DaWildcat Platinum Level Contributor

    Do it. There's no such thing as "too much information".

    Devon
     
  18. DaWildcat

    DaWildcat Platinum Level Contributor

    John, just talked w/a work fellow, he's racing BBC. I explained all to the best of my ability.

    He's seen this situation only one time before, and that's 25 years.

    Intake manifold leak.

    That's the next place to explore.

    Devon
     
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  19. johnriv67

    johnriv67 Well-Known Member

    Wow I appreciate it, I will have to take an earnest look
     
  20. DaWildcat

    DaWildcat Platinum Level Contributor

    And more.

    The spark plug reading part is still in full swing. BUT...

    You'll get the usual stuff on the insulator that may show signs of detonation. The better reading is way down inside, near the bottom where the insulator meets the parent metal of the plug. Hard to see without bright light. He (Justin) actually cuts plugs to see what's happening. He says your next full throttle blast needs to be on the way to the garage, less idling, the better.

    Devon
     

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