Another Rustang bite's the dust.

I find it hard to believe 140, but I do know a nearly stock 2-wheel drive 96 5.0 exploder will do 115, because I have been there in one. Considering I still had a lot of pedal left, I don't think 125 or 130 is out of the question as far as a possibility.

The only modifications in the car I was driving is shorty headers and hollowed converters.

 

Driving any American car (with a few exceptions) at 140 mph must be a serious suicide attempt.

 

Actually, there are more than a few exceptions. More like, A-LOT of exceptions, if you want the facts. There are a ton of american cars out there now that would make 140 mph seem like 40 mph in a top end challenge. Wether it be american sports cars, MODIFIED american muscle cars(and classical cars), etc.

As far as high performance American cars go, if they are built, or were built for high performance, I don't see how it can be a serious suicide attempt. If you drive ANY car at that rate of speed on ANY public street, yes it is very dangerous. If you think the autobahn is any safer, or that lamborghinis/porsches/etc can do 140+ any better than some American cars can, then you got some issues to work out...because the facts are facts.

 

Guess I shouldn't mention hitting 187mph in my modded C5 a few years back then You must have never had an American car in good repair that was stable at speed, to make that statement. My GN is perfectly stable at 150+ when I run street tires as well.

 

safe at speed

I agree with Artie, if the car is set up and maintained well a blast to the 130-150 MPH mark is not out of the question. To go beyond that on the S rated tires most cars run on is Russian Roulette. I'm sure Artie has tires on the C-5 designed for its purpose. I have taken many of "MY" cars to the 140+ MPH because I knew their history and my meticulous maintenence. How fast any given vehicle can truly go can depend on many factors. So for the purpose of this thread lets assume no one is making a claim that is out of the question. But most of us on this site have been involved with high performance vehicles for many years, me personaly over 35 so to try an BS us just makes someone look foolish. I have worked on more race vehicles than I can count and know what it takes to get the MPH numbers some claim they hit. My current T-Type runs 121-123 MPH in the quarter mile so doing the calculations works out to it making 540-560 HP. Where the top end is I will never find out as it has S rated street tires and 140+ is as fast as I will push it for short blasts and it is stable there. I used to have a 440 ci 1970 Plymouth Fury I x-state trooper car in the early seventies with a 140 MPH speedometer and that car would bury the needle but would start to wander over 130 MPH and become very unstable approaching 140 MPH which was as fast as it would go without a headwind but I was young and invincible then on my four ply nylon tires. There is a kid down the street that put 4.10's in his Z-28 a few years ago and said it went 150 MPH easily. I asked him if he recalibrated the speedo and he said 'What?". My point is don't make claims that "SEEM UNREASONABLE" without the proof to back it up. I can show you a fistfull of timeslips to back up my claim.
Mikey

 

Couple of years ago there was a fire in the neighborhood and it looked like it was near where my car was parked. I lived across the street from where I worked and mentioned to one of my coworkers that I might need to move my car if the fire comes closer (odd, I don't remember being concerned that my apartment would burn down, just the loss of my 'lark) anyway, a customer overheard me and asked what kind of car I had. I mentioned a 68 Buick with a 455 and he just shook his head and said they were only good for boat anchors. I asked him what Chevy engine made 510 ft lbs of torque at only 2800rpm stock and he couldn't seem to find a come back. Interesting how all of us who drive old man cars with crumby engines have so much more power.

 

ya i know what you mean. the guys were giving me $hit about my 455 in my regal and told me big blocks were junk and buick motors are junk. so i said, "here's an interesting fact, i just kicked your SBC's ass last week and i'll do it again and again." i love how these coknockers will sink a few thousand dollars into their SBC's and then try to compare our motors and tell me mine is junk. it sickens me that out of all of the mopars and the ricers and the mustangs out on the road, the only people who ever run their mouths to me are SBC people. piss on Chevy (except my truck because buick dont make trucks) and piss on GM for not backing the division that produced the GSX, stage 1,2 and so on, and the fastest U.S. production car of the 80's. to all chevy drivers that dont like my buick: remember this muther muchacho, they built the GNX for the sole purpose of killing your corvettes, and dont even mention the monte carlo ss in the same breath as a t-type regal, gran national, or my stage 1 regal. my regal eats chevys, $hits mustangs, and pukes ricers.

 

I know the purists here don't approve, but the 396/TH400 I built and put in my '64 (the one in my avatar) was a nasty powerful torquey engine that roasted Chevelles and Mopars left and right. I didn't have the money or the access to a 455 back then so I had to deal with what I had and it suited me just fine.

 

sbc

Dont read too much into it theres a difference between a nice 396 and a basic stock 350 its kind of like foreign cars....they can be nice show pieces or can be totally riced out with advanced auto designs. If thats what you can afford or build at the time so be it Im barely able to afford a stock build 455....airforce doesnt pay that great.. ou:

 

ya, i mean i dont go around hating SBC's, i think "to each his own". there are a lot of people that race SBC's because they are so cheap to build, they are reliable, they are very ubundant. there are a lot of people that race them because they were raised "a chevy man" you know, whatever, but to say that my Buick is "junk" to say that Buick engines are junk or that big blocks in general are junk is just a really ignorant thing to say. i dont go picking fights with SBC's, the thing is though, i get these guys that get one and then they tweak it out and spend money to make it run 5 seconds or so faster than what it could out of the factory. then they try to compare it to my engine, tell me mine sucks, meanwhile with the exception of my B4B intake, its stock as far as i can tell. i aint even got headers on it or run slicks yet. i have a car that will get me 13's. i drive it to the track. i never once told them what they "need" to run in there car. i never once $hit on their car, engine, ideas, or time slips (well i mean the 2 guys that actually ever even took a pass down the dragstrip with any car at all.) i just get tired of fighting to defend my decision to run Buicks and big block ones at that. those people can kiss my ass. at the end of the day i have even more pride in being a Buick fan. my car is different, my distributer is in the front and they still just have chevys. :beer

 

A lot of people, especially the crowd that does have run the sbc's and whatnot, are very uneducated about Buicks, and heck, let's throw in the Mopar/Ford crowd in their too while we're at it, since they fall in the same boat. In knowing this fact just by studying it for a few years, I have concluded that these certain people call our Buicks junk, say our Buick's are slow, and the stove burning comment of "Buicks are granny cars, man!", are so uneducated that they didn't even know that the 1970 GS Stage 1 was the fastest production passenger car, as the top 50 fastest list shows, the '70 stage 1 is 3rd on the list out of 50 cars. The only two cars that could beat it were a 427 cobra(2 seater) and a 427 vette(2 seater), so for being stock, and being able to beat out all the others besides 2, that's pretty damn good if I don't say so myself. And then to top it all off, consider the fact that while the 1980's seemed to be a boring era for automotive enthusiasts, one car really stood out among the others...and that was the Grand National by Buick. In 1987, the Grand National was the fastest production car, killing vettes/stangs/firebirds/camaros right and left. When you talk about the GNX, that actually was about the fastest car to hit the streets in the 80's(with just a few minor mods above the GN, mainly a body kit I guess, but some performance parts were added!), but it was not mass produced, henceworth not being listed. Not that this is surprising any to us, either, but we get flack from import guys as well! Anyone who has a displacement of a 1.8 litre engine has no room to talk, no matter how fast the rice burner is! :laugh: When you talk about displacement to some guys, you have to talk in litres instead of cubic inches. When you tell an import guy that you have a 455, they usually scratch their head and go, "Huh?" ou: Instead, you have to say"Oh, I mean a 7.5 litre", then you get 2 stereotypes from this...1-they will get confused and claim they never heard of such an engine before, that big! or 2-they will be really shocked and their jaw will drop to the floor! :bglasses:

-Cody

 

i got that list from www.buickhorsepower.com (made in 1984 so it does need updated) and just for the record the fastest "non-corvette" chevy has on the list is the 70 chevelle SS coming in at #15. and as you said the 70 stage 1 Buick is #3. if that list were re-made today, at least two more Buicks would be on there and thats the Gran National and the T-Type Regal. depending on how they pick the cars elgible, there would also be a Stage 2 455 and a GNX which makes 5 "slow, junk" Buicks in the top 50 fastest list. take away a 2 seat corvette (which none of my buddies race) and chevy aint got a damn thing on us. i'm 23 years old and i must say that it enrages me what gm has done with Buick and the fact that it just seems like they never backed Buick at all. at least pontiac has the "Pontiac Excitement Nationals". nascar has run chevy engines in Chevys, Buicks, Oldsmobiles, and Pontiacs probably since i was born. check the history on Regals in Nascar. pretty damn good record and still no love. i remember watching kenny bernstein in the Budwieser Buick funny car when i was a kid. i heard mr. bernstein was a pretty good driver (sarcasm- he was the king of course!) oh ya, and right in front of me is a copy of Hot Rod Magazine May 1970 and the cover reads "Exclusive: Buick's Experimental V-8's" i heard about that twin turbo nailhead that never made it to the streets. how is it that chevy represents GM against Ford and Chrysler and imports yet they aint even the best in their own division? GM backed the wrong horse. the low cost and accessibility of chevy parts is all that keeps their heads above the water. i notice top fuel funny cars and dragsters have distributers in the front and spark plugs in the center of the valve covers. :rant:

 

Just use thier ignorance to your advantage. I didnt even know GS's exhisted till i bought mine (im only 17)And it took me a little while to learn about them stage1's and X cars. Chances are that some one with a sbc doesnt know either.

 

Rice is bad, but some imports are fast cars. I am all over the spectrum with vehicles. I own a 2.5 liter V6 Contour 5speed (small displacement but very usable torque for an engine its size), 79 F-250 with a 460 engine with only 17K orginal miles on it, 66 GS (needs rebuild), and I have owned a 92 Talon-basically eclipse. Eclipses and Talons are fairly fast cars if turboed for only having a 2.0 in them and they are easy to mod...and you still get 25+ mpg. But as much modding as you can do to them, they still can't beat the old rule of "no replacement for displacement". And for a truck not being stable at high speeds, I had my truck up around 80 with out a problem, while I was towing a car, on original tires.

 

HEY ILL RACE ALL OF YOU AND MAKE U LOOK LIKE YOU'RE GOING IN REVERSE..
IN MY YUGO TURBO...
0 TO 60 IN 3.2 SECONDS...........DOWNHILL IN A HURRICAINE AFTER BEING SHOT OUT OF A CANNON.. LOL

IF I LOSE ILL SAY..." MY DAD'S BUDDY HAS AN ISUZU I-MARK TURBO THAT'LL SHOOT HEAD BOLTS OUT FROM THE SIDE AND PUNCTURE YOUR OIL PAN..
IN 2.4 SECONDS FLAT.. DON'T MESS WITH US RICE BOYS
DJ JAZZY TREVOR IS KING AROUND HERE !!!!
TIME TO GO HANG AT THE TCBY AND REV MY 1.5 LITRE SOHC THAT SOUNDS MORE LIKE A JETSKI THAN A CAR. THEN ATTATCH A FLOWGERS COFFEE CAN TO MY EXHAUST AND MAKE IT SOUND LIKE A SICK JETSKI THAT ATE A BAD CASE OF JALAPENO PEPPERS.

in all seriousness when i see an import with a fire extinguisher on the passenger side post pillar i have to laugh..
a 12 inch long fire extinguisher would barely put out my next door nieghbors water bong fires much less a high flash point under the hood fire..
maybe its to keep his ghetto "trick" neons from settting ablaze..
or his stereo amps..
no dude not my stereo oh no!!!!!!
Some of those fart cans get extra boost from the subwoofers...
theyre so freakin small they have to buy amps to kick a small kick in arse to get a good launch..... aim those ports backwards boys... you need them!@!!