First EVER, crank driven Procharged BBB.... I’m pretty sure...

Discussion in 'The Bench' started by badbuik, Sep 21, 2020.

  1. nitrousfish

    nitrousfish Dave Fisher

     
  2. GKMoz

    GKMoz Gary / Moz

    Awesome!..... the other thing that comes to mind?
    "Adapt improvise overcome" The Marines motto
     
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  3. Todd69GS

    Todd69GS Silver Level contributor

    Gary, were you able to get it ironed out?
    Any passes?
     
  4. badbuik

    badbuik Well-Known Member

    Nothing to update. Been fighting some issues, and now I think my O2 sensor is dead.. Every time I think I'm closer to go racing, something else comes up.
    Hopefully the O2 sensor will get me going back in the right direction, that "problem" had me changing numbers on the base fuel graph shooting for my Target O2 reading, but not changing the AFR, and just screwing up that fuel table. Hopefully I'll get it close and actually find a dyno shop to help "Tune" it. Seems that most in my area are "inside" and not willing to help since I'm running methanol. I'm patient, and frustrated, but still trying! I thought I'd be taking the car to a big race in Las Vegas Nov. 18-21, even set up a pit spot, but this combo has too many new things that I don't have a handle on, so I canceled those plans.

    Gary G
     
  5. BuickGSrules

    BuickGSrules Gold Level Contributor

    Keep fighting and you will get it going.
     
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  6. Todd69GS

    Todd69GS Silver Level contributor

    Sorry to hear that Gary. Keep at it brother it will come around.
    Have you considered getting a base tune from someone to get you pointed in the right direction?
    The o2 issue aside, would the learning function on the ecu help dial in the fuel table if you had a solid base tune?
     
  7. Jim Weise

    Jim Weise EFI/DIS 482

    Gary,

    If you have a base tune in it, it starts and will rev up, and once your confident of all your sensor input, then simply go out and make several progressively faster passes with it, and each time, dump the learn table into the fuel curve.

    The system is designed to learn what the engine combo wants, and I don't care who tells you what, no one knows what your car really wants for a fuel curve....I have gotten "tunes" from Steve Morris that I went back and reviewed the actual tune the motor wants, after the dyno session, to what my customer bought from Morris, and they were not even close. This was on the 1338 HP Pro charged Tomahawk we did. I got it to run in the shop, with all the inputs set correctly in the program, and then we took it to the dyno, for progressively harder and harder pulls to let it dial in the fuel curve. Timing curve is pretty basic, it will make the most power with the same timing it wants NA, the issue is keeping the heads on it, and staying away from detonation. That's the only reason to pull the timing back. You will have to use your discretion there, based on what strategy your employing to control detonation under boost.

    But to get the correct fuel curve, the idea here is to progressively add more power and boost, via the throttle pedal, until you work all the way up to WOT passes. After each pass, dump the learn table into the fuel curve, and the system will figure out what it wants. If you have mufflers, or an area where folks don't care, you can actually do a lot of this on the street.

    Any fantasy that your going to hit the track the first time, with a perfectly tuned setup, is just that.. a fantasy.. so don't wait around on that.

    Good luck

    JW
     
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  8. badbuik

    badbuik Well-Known Member

  9. BuickGSrules

    BuickGSrules Gold Level Contributor

    Great to see/hear - can´t wait to hear when you will get it at the track.
     
  10. GS Kubisch

    GS Kubisch THE "CUT-UP" BUICK

    Bad Ass! Good luck at the track.

    Keep an eye on the plugs.
     
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  11. slimfromnz

    slimfromnz Kiwi Abroad

    Nice work Gary
     
  12. badbuik

    badbuik Well-Known Member

    So I finally have an update! After 2+ years of “building” this new Procharged combo I was “ready” to go to the track. The longest drive on the car was about 10 feet in my driveway, and now gonna go test and tune this beast down the 1/8th mile track… Anxiously Nervous was the feelings I had.. Car is a beast, makes tons of power, and could humor myself and “agree” with what spectators were saying, “just too much power!”..But realistically track was probably not well prepped, tires that are 2 years old are now bad, and hanging 100+ pounds of blower over the nose, killed the weight bias.. 3 attempted passes, all started with tires up in smoke, and when rolling, just spinning…. Pulling timing, adjusting launch rpm, never a clean “A to B” pass.. Then more problems, the blower just makes all the bolts get loose! Header bolts backed out, blew the gaskets, damaged an already helicoiled bolt hole, and a header collector tried to leave the car, header tube pulled out and got slightly damaged.. New tires, more tuning, and putting the car on scales to see the weight bias are what’s next.. Car looks good, sounds amazing, and has some serious potential! Probably take it back out in a month or so, and hopefully get more data to get the higher rpm tune correct. Video I have is pretty lame, I’ll see if I can post it….
    Gary G
     

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  13. sean Buick 76

    sean Buick 76 Buick Nut

    Congrats on getting it going! Try Remflex gaskets?
     
  14. badbuik

    badbuik Well-Known Member

  15. offbrand Racing

    offbrand Racing Platinum Level Contributor

    Congrats Gary for getting her to the track! That is a major accomplishment to say the least. Stay with it and I am sure she will come around.

    Jim
     
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  16. rmstg2

    rmstg2 Gold Level Contributor

    Hang in there Gary, you will get there!

    Bob H.
     
  17. Todd69GS

    Todd69GS Silver Level contributor

    Glad to see you're making some progress despite some issues. You'll get there.
    Scaling will help for sure. I can't remember if you said but if it's a radial car it might like some weight on the nose.
     
  18. slimfromnz

    slimfromnz Kiwi Abroad

    Bit of spice there Gary!!!
     
  19. badbuik

    badbuik Well-Known Member

    Been a while since that last update.. I took the car to Famosa Drag strip in Bakersfield CA for a Test and Tune day.. What we’ve learned so far is that we need to “neuter” the car!! Pulling 17 degrees of timing out, and launching at 3400, launching in 2nd, was the first attempt that day. Driver screwed up, didn’t have the gas pedal floored (got data now, can’t hide anything), 60% throttle, and just running 1/8th mile, to the high gear shift, 1.39 60ft 6.39 to the 1/8…The following 3 pass we’re at 100%, track and air got hot, car would try to hook for about 1/2 second, then spin….. Last pass motor had a funny sound, found a pushrod damaged and then a broken rocker shaft… Cars back together, ready to run again, just not sure when or where….
    Gary G
     

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  20. badbuik

    badbuik Well-Known Member

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