Well said Mr. Glasgo. I'm not sure why it matters to anyone that wasn't at the race. Dave ripped off a 10.95 and Julie laid down a 11.03, even if the names were reversed I think all is perfect in the world. These two racers will have a good race wherever they may go. What does it matter to any of you? Why crap all over it with this "sky is falling crap"? Forget about the fact that Dave has performed a amazing restoration in less than a year.A restoration that could have easily walked away with "best of show" this weekend. This car is truly a work of art. The cars performance is just as impressive, not only is it fast it is also very consistent. My hat is off to Dave. I believe he is a asset to the hobby and has worked as hard or harder at it as anyone else has. If I know him and I think I do, he will enjoy showing you anything you would want to see regarding any of the legal issues you may have dreamed up with this car. I don't think he went through all this to be sent home for some silly tech issue. I believe Dave and Terry teched each others cars this weekend as a matter of fact. Dave was asking me for my borescope which I did not bring with me. He didn't want it for Terry's car he wanted me to look in his engine. If something isn't right I have no doubt that he will fix it. See you all real soon
The bottom line is that the bald/ fast tires have no place on a pure stock car EVER!, all it does is cloud the pure stock theme. It would be better if they ran slicks, so nobody would think they were on polyglas tires. I hope they really check the tires before the race in the staging lanes, and if they find the bald tires, they need to go on the trailer, regardless of who it is!!
the Pure Stocks already has a rule on tires Excessively worn or bald tires are strictly prohibited! TIRES CANNOT BE WORN DOWN TO THE TREAD WEAR BAR INDICATORS. Factory Stock at a FAST event is a different, even though many cars run at both events.
:shock::shock: And in other news, the GTO was actually started and backed out of the garage today, so I could get to my air compressor. I'm about over 70 hr work weeks and cancelled vacations. Blah.
So, two pure stock cars just ran a 10.95 and an 11.03 and nobody can be interested if we weren't there ---------- Post added at 09:58 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:56 PM ---------- You refer to "silly tech issues", the organizers and participants call them rules.
Here's a novel idea: If you really want to impress me... run a 12.99 without taking advantage of any of the P/S permitted variances. Use: < Advertised compression (<.070" o/b) Blue printed engine components only Factory points ignition system Factory 4 speed or auto trans without a shift kit Factory rear gear ratio Factory size exhaust pipe Factory repro mufflers (all of them) No x-pipe (H only if it came with one) Rubber suspension bushings New shocks Don't go up one letter size with tires ... you know, original components... for better or worse... the way they came. Go ahead... someone, anyone, really impress me!
"So, two pure stock cars just ran a 10.95 and an 11.03 and nobody can be interested if we weren't there" I need to be really careful with my words around you Steve. I didn't say you couldn't be interested. Maybe I should have said "I'm not sure why it matters to anyone that wasn't IN the race." This thread is full of the "sky is falling" by people that I wouldn't expect it from. I didn't see anyone at the race crying, why should anyone here? Dave ran in the 10s at the second race track he went to, the paint isn't even dry yet. Instead of a pat on the back for a job well done he gets " you are gonna ruin the race as we know it". I am glad to see you refer to it as a pure stock car though, despite how fast it is. "You refer to "silly tech issues", the organizers and participants call them rules" I think of myself as a participant as I have been to the race many times and I think I have used "silly tech issues" in the proper context. Lets see how your version would sound. "I don't think he went through all this to be sent home for some rules." Doesn't sound right to me I'll stick with what I wrote.
Please excuse my ignorance but I understand how these mods make the cars faster. I just don't understand how it still qualifies them to be called "Factory Stock". Stock appearing, yes, so why not just call a spade, a spade?
Someone wrote the rules for these events. If the racer then builds their car to meet those rules, how can you call that cheating? o No: If you have a problem with the name of the event, you need to take that up with the event promoter.
Nah, I don't have a problem with it. I'll call it deception but you can call it whatever you want. Stock means stock, modified means modifed.................
At the Mopar Nats it was 75 degrees out and i was running regular C12 race gas. The 11.38 pass was on bald tires too.. My fastest pass to this very minute with regular race gas and "legal" tires is an 11.50@122. That why i'm reading this stuff and i'm shaking my head. 11.50@122 my friends, sorry to disappoint.
So if he passes the same tech everyone else does two weeks from now is he still cheeting? I guess no more then anyone else running the numbers!! Pete FAST did not crumble when Dave and Lane ran in the nines it was the year prior to that when 1/2 the feild was cheeting with aftermarket blocks and heads(and no tear down tech to prove anyone right or wrong). The nines and the new block rule where just the last spike in the coffin. If it means anything I watch Dave and Terry go through the same tech they did to the cars in Martin and both cars passed. I must have missed the memo on the tires I thought F/S tires where to be treaded. The only reason I bought brand new tires for my Roadrunner in Martin??? Donny I believe I owe you a hundred Sir. I will see you get it in Stanton. Ed Cook
Dave that is awesome. Congrats to you. I have followed the FAST, raced in Musclecar Races (Gonzo's races) and I am getting a car ready to go to the Supercar Shootout races. Let me preface this, I ain't looking for a fight here, but I have to ask - If a car is "teched" in the peramiters of the rules and clicks off an astonishing time, is the car checked by the "officials" who enforce the rules after the race? (My car was never that fast and most likely won't be so it was never an issue for me) And. If the car is checked and found to be within the rules, why do people still rag on the run/time the car and driver did.? Is it just the fact the word "stock" is being used? I really am asking seriously here- no sarcasm. It really seems to be twisting some hanging gear on some folks here, and I am just not getting it. Like I said I mean no disrespect, but I would love to know why some of you are so bent by this...o No:
The problem is the heading of this thread should not have read first pure stock car in the 10's. That is not correct, as these 2 cars were not pure stock legal when they ran the low numbers, first they had illegal tires, oxygenated fuel and I would think modified carburators. Tom, you're right about who am i to talk about the race if I wasn't there. Once it hits the web, then it is fair game to ask questions from anybody, this is a discussion board after all . They should have had Tom run the tech, the idea that the 2 organizers teched each others cars adds to the joke that the FAST races have become. The tires have always been the key equalizer and the intrigue of the spectators when they watch a pure stock car make a run. When you modify rules to let your hair down, you should then have called it a FAST RACE. SOMEBODY SHOULD BRING A TIRE DUROMETER TO THE PSMCDR. Q16 fuel, my understanding is that you need to rework the carbs to make them work, does it only take a jet change? I also understand that you can take your worn out polyglas tires and have them recapped with a tread pattern that is close to the originals, but made with much stickier compound. A tire DUROMETER gauge is a quick and easy tech item that can easily be done during initial tech. Pass the test and get a tire sticker, and that tire sticker better be on the car in the staging lanes before the race. Mess with the tires and mess with the race. The track had no issue with the sub 11.50 passes? I hope their insurence is up to date??
