ford 1.7 roller rockers r&d

Discussion in 'Small Block Tech' started by gsjohnny1, Dec 30, 2022.

  1. Mart

    Mart Gold level member

    Jim, just the individual rocker spacing on the shafts need to be moved slightly from stock spacing due to the valve spacing being wider on the aluminums vs the irons.
    Only the thin walled aluminum spacers need tweaking. Shafts stay as they are. Fore & aft location stays, side to side alignment is the issue.
     
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  2. gsjohnny1

    gsjohnny1 Well-Known Member

    just an update why this hasn't gone anywhere.
    my wife was in the hospital for 6 weeks. everything with it has slowed me down to a stop, but not looking.
    continued meandering thru 1.7 rocker world, looked the ford 390-428's. they use a stand to locate rockers.
    well i have bunches of spare head to r&d cutting the stands off and locate the fords wherever they need to be.
    https://www.atracingworld.com/Ford-...1.76-Ratio-Aluminum-Rocker-Arms-With-Hardware
    is one style. there are similar ones at different prices.
     
  3. Mart

    Mart Gold level member

    Hey John, at least you're not in reverse like some.:D
    I'd get just one rocker from summit and do some reverse engineering.
    Hope your wife hurries & heals....:)
     
  4. Fox's Den

    Fox's Den 355Xrs

    Hope all is well with your wife, Get Well Fast.
    That is not a bad price on those rockers need adjusted a little looks like You could make this work, especially for experimenting.
    I hope you do it and show some pics. 1.76 rocker that would pop open in a hurry wow.
     
  5. gsjohnny1

    gsjohnny1 Well-Known Member

    honeydo is ok, but still with issues that will be forever.
    the 1.7's, its one of those projects i want to make work
     
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  6. Mark Demko

    Mark Demko Well-Known Member

    Good to hear the Wife is ok:D
     
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  7. Jim Nichols

    Jim Nichols Well-Known Member

    Johnny, Sometimes life gets in the way on our projects. Good to hear the wife is OK.
     
  8. Mart

    Mart Gold level member

    Idk John, 1.7 ratio would put my piston to valve clearance at .054 instead of .090
    ouch!
     
  9. Fox's Den

    Fox's Den 355Xrs

    Just 2 Kellogs box tops from crashing, close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.
    spring tester
     
  10. gsjohnny1

    gsjohnny1 Well-Known Member

    the fe's are 1.76. now check your math. lol. have friend who might have a oem set so i can guesstimate.
    i never cut my block or heads because of what i am doing. i think i have a mile between them. maybe.....i will look. but i'm getting lazy. lol
     
  11. Mart

    Mart Gold level member

    I think you need 283 domed pistons.:eek:
    Bearings in the body for $292? Wow.... 20230311_200459.jpg
     
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  12. Fox's Den

    Fox's Den 355Xrs

    Don't want this IMG_1980.jpeg 68209928408__DD0E3936-3EF5-4C45-8B54-85361F358F73.jpeg

    Fixed with this

    68417984049__049A738B-C4BF-444C-B67A-F00904DA8915.jpeg

    The newer bearing that replaces the old ones so if you have the old school rollers time to change, they are only 12 bucks each lol.

    Plus those 120$ each shafts, did I say shaft, yeah.
     
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  13. Mart

    Mart Gold level member

    So looks like those older TA roller rockers with the sparsely spaced needle bearings aren't bulletproof....or maybe it's that thin azz Mobil 1 oil you use? :D:D:eek:
     
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  14. Fox's Den

    Fox's Den 355Xrs

    That 10-30 Mobile got nothin to do with it. from the spacing of the bearings is what caused problem, they don't move that far. the center ones wore out more.
     
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  15. gsjohnny1

    gsjohnny1 Well-Known Member

    then you must be doing something wrong...lol
    i think we take a poll on this. :D
     
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  16. Fox's Den

    Fox's Den 355Xrs

    Mobile 1 made it nice and clean inside it was those mega springs with a bigger than a 212 cam IMG_1755.jpeg
     
  17. Mark Demko

    Mark Demko Well-Known Member

    Lol !!
    I had the exact same issue as you when I put this new build together, same old bearings and same damage to shaft:mad:
    Yes the cost of the new bearings and shaft made my butt pucker!!!!
     
  18. Mark Demko

    Mark Demko Well-Known Member

    HAHA
    Had the same issue.
    Honestly I think it’s from crappy bearings, as the new ones have twice the rollers, plus I bought mine in the mid 90’s so they have miles on em.
    Thing is you don’t know of the wear till you disassemble and look, cause they act and feel normal.
    BUT, you have a good point Mart, we switch from flat tappet to roller cams and such then think “I can use regular oil”
    It’s very similar to the C clip Chevy style rear axle where the axle bearing rides directly on the axle, gear oil has EP additives to help combat this but the bearings eventually eat the axle.
    I believe we should still use a “good” oil even with roller valve trains.
     
  19. Jim Blackwood

    Jim Blackwood Well-Known Member

    Well, the rocker shafts are hardened but it isn't bearing steel and it was never meant to have rollers riding on it. So there's that.

    Jim
     
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  20. Mart

    Mart Gold level member

    Yep, hardened shafts, centerless ground with a bearing Rockwell would act like an inner race for those caged needle bearings.
     

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