Got beaten by a ricer!!!

I don't know, but I'd say that fella spent his money on the go rather than the show.

 

Dude !! you're not kiddin!!!
When i first aquired my 69 with my 70 sbb it was still slower than my 89 regal w/ 3.1 multiport..
My regal is as stock as stock can be.. When my 89 was brandnew i would give 89 stangs a run fo da $$$
she has over 160K miles on her now and makes all sorts of cool bongo music from under the hood.
My 70 eng is stock and can barely give fox bodies a run after 70mph..
I also spend a few seconds spinning my peg leg a good 50 feet too..
Theese new guys hook up those front wheels and get moving so quickly nowadays.
Those new Subaru's are wicked sick!! One turn of a screwdriver and 4 keystrokes on a digipad and you've got 428ci shelby gt performance..
Crazy!
Let us know when ya get ya work done.. Id like to hear how much difference you get after add ons and rebuilds..

 

Like I've been saying all along, though, it's the technology that goes into these newer cars that really helps them move. If you want a fair race between a newer car and a classic, go buy a GN that's near stock for between 5-10 thousand dollars, then see how many 20-40 thousand plus dollar machines you can whoop...bet you'd spank 97 percent of the street population. :spank: They could run 13s on off the dealer lot/showroom floor, and w/ just a few tiny tweaks and mods, can very easily run 12's on street tires. Heck, you could throw a fresh 455 or 350 that's been warmed up just a triffle in an s-10/or some kind of smaller vehicle, and spend maybe 5-10 thousand total, and whoop about 99 percent of the street's population. :bglasses: It's all about what you want and what you have, and what you can do to achieve what you want and what you can have! :Smarty: :TU:

 

How much would you have to spend to get 11 second performance out of a 1970 buick 350 still set up as a 2barrel ??
I've got an idea on the intake and heads ...
What kind of cam should a sbb use for that kind of street performance?
I'm scared of nitrous. She's old. She runs tight as can be for being and old engine but i want to help her go not blow!!
I'd like to know what some of you would do with an engine like this...
I'm in the process of cleaning it up.. Ofcourse the intake and valve covers are ebing changed out(99.9% of all the car's rust was on the intake and valve covers). I'm not sure what cam or if i'll even need one.. she already has headers and 2.5 inch duals. I kno i need posi. Just gota new transmission with B&M full manual/auto valve body. They dont make any stage 1 heads for my car. Atleast so im told. o No: Its still fast.. it needs to go faster. She has a very tight running engine no knocks or pings or bongo noise.
Valves are super quiet. very tight and super peppy.. Make her roar with your ideas.. Trust me everything thrown at me will be taken in ultra concideration if not followed by the letter. I'm a newbie and need some direction now that i've gotten her to a solid dependable state of functionality..
Please Help me burn the ricers a new one!!! :beer :3gears:

 

just read through the small block forum for ideas. Getting the engine to breathe better is what makes power. Get your heads ported!

 

cody, the technology is fair, as far as complaining about turbo's and superchargers, run what you brung, and hope you brung enough. It'd be a ricer excuse no matter what car youre driving to complain that he has more technology. Back in the '70s i bet people didnt complain that the '70 stage 1 that just beat them wouldnt have if their '55 tbird had the same technology.... funny i bring up the tbird anyway... it had a supercharger in the 50's, theyve been around. I bet that green civic has less than 10 grand into it. You can buy 92-95 hatch for under a grand around here, turbo kits run around 5 for a good 11 sec setup. those cars weigh about 2300 pounds, thats why they are starting to win, not technology.

None of my friends have wings, and all of my friends are solidly into the 14's with mostly stock cars.. im talking 14.2-14.6 How many small blocks run that mostly stock?

 

I don't think much about the rice because if you throw enough money at something you can make quick and my stock 72 GS 455 was quick right out of the box! Go Fast With Class!!! Can't say that about some over seas grown food you put on your plate!!! AL.

 

[QUOTE='71buickg.s.]cody, the technology is fair, as far as complaining about turbo's and superchargers, run what you brung, and hope you brung enough. It'd be a ricer excuse no matter what car youre driving to complain that he has more technology. Back in the '70s i bet people didnt complain that the '70 stage 1 that just beat them wouldnt have if their '55 tbird had the same technology.... funny i bring up the tbird anyway... it had a supercharger in the 50's, theyve been around. I bet that green civic has less than 10 grand into it. You can buy 92-95 hatch for under a grand around here, turbo kits run around 5 for a good 11 sec setup. those cars weigh about 2300 pounds, thats why they are starting to win, not technology.

None of my friends have wings, and all of my friends are solidly into the 14's with mostly stock cars.. im talking 14.2-14.6 How many small blocks run that mostly stock?[/QUOTE]

What you just explained to me basically is the Power-to-weight-Ratio. :TU: Good points, too! :bglasses: :TU:

 

I honestly don't think the whole import-muscle car dispute will ever be put to rest. The cars are just too different, but we all know who's gonna win in a stock vs. stock, heads up drag.

 

youre right, muscle cars will win stock for stock in a drag race, but there is more to racing than a straight line. Import guys dont much care for going straight, so to be fair, you would have to do a drag race, then a road race, where imports shine.

like i said, apples to oranges.

cody, didnt only explain power to weight, i explained to you that it isnt right to complain about technology like turbos and superchargers because theyve been around for a very long time. Take the turbo off a stock turbocharged car, and unplug a few of your spark plugs, same thing

 

[QUOTE='71buickg.s.]

cody, didnt only explain power to weight, i explained to you that it isnt right to complain about technology like turbos and superchargers because theyve been around for a very long time. Take the turbo off a stock turbocharged car, and unplug a few of your spark plugs, same thing[/QUOTE]

Hate to argue w/ you, but aspirated cars cannot be put into the same category as Non-aspirated vehicles, stock or not stock.

And another thing, that last statement made no sense. To take off a supercharger or turbocharger would be taking off a power-adder. Unplugging a few spark plugs would be taking away something that's necessary for the car to properly operate. Even though superchargers/and turbos have been around a long time, doesn't make them an option for every car. In fact, more cars than not come straight from the factory w/out any tc's or sc's. Apples to oranges is right.

Regards,

 

Personally, I am glad the whole tuner thing is going on right now, they are doing a lot of r&d for us and blowing up their cars in the process. As they destroy their cars finding out what works, the good stuff can be adapted to ours. There are people on this board who are using nitrous, some are using superchargers and others are using turbos. A customer was in our store this week who races mustangs and was telling me how much nitrous has progressed in just 2 years. The class he races in limits him to a "90" jet for nitrous. with this jet he was getting a 250 hp boost. This year's engine he dropped to "86" jets and is getting 400hp extra hitting the button. there are a few people on this board who have converted big blocks to multiport FI. The fact that a turdly little import can go from a stock 18 sec car to a 10 sec terror means we should be able to go from a stock 13 sec car to a, what, 6 sec car? Once our new blocks come into production so we have something to handle the power that technology could give us, look out. A 550cu.in. twin turbo fuel injected Buick Big Block with a nice 400hp fogger system and computer managed fuel system, Why not a streetable 2,000hp classic! I did see a 70 Chevelle in a magazine with a 600 cu.in. twin turbo running 6 something in the quarter mile. Look how fast home computers are advancing because everyone has one, the more people looking for performance in cars, the better. Just don't get left behind. I love it when I see a concourse fully restored show queen $650,000 hemi whatever gets its a$$ handed to him by a $8,000 total investment GS that doesn't care if he has the original air in his spare tire. Classics are nice but if you're afraid to modify from stock specs don't be suprised if all the honduhs in town blow you away.

 

a stock car that came fromt the factory will not run properly without the turbo, it will run rich, have silly fuel curves etc, so it IS the same thing. With all the technology being applied to older cars, its gonna cost a helluva lot more than just breaking down and buying a small displacement car. There are imports in the 6's with 4 bangers, how many buicks are in the 6's?


on the street, Na and blown cars are in the same category, its called run what you brung, you wouldnt sit there and say well its not fair you have a turbo or you have nitrous if you were called out on the street. You would put up or shutup regardless of whether yours is forced induction or naturally aspirated

 

[QUOTE='71buickg.s.] There are imports in the 6's with 4 bangers, how many buicks are in the 6's?[/QUOTE]

You're talking to the wrong person about that. I don't care if they run 2's in the quarter mile. o No: I am more of a top-speed person anyway. How many people are running 4 and 6 bangers for top-speed challenges, like the salt flats for instance? ou:

If you want to talk about quarter mile times, go to the chevy guys. They have cars running in the 5's that are V8 POWERED, and they didn't have to spend over 100k to get them in the 5's, either. :shock:

ou:

 

5's!!!!! holy freaking wow!!!
I remember when 11 second cars were considered scary fast,
In the 60's top fuel/funny cars broke into the 8's, Now street legal cars are in the 5's! Oh well, I guess, in the 19teens a scientist once published in a medical journal that it was physically impossible for man to go over 25mph because he wouldn't be able to breathe. At those high speeds it was beleived all the air would be sucked out of your lungs! I suppose in 2050 Honda will release a hybrid car that gets 70 mpg and does 3's in the quarter mile.

 

lots of 4 bangers are into the salt flats, actually, most older cars ran big ford 4's... gm backs several sport compacts, the saturn ion is one of them. Go do some research and find out how much it cost to get a chevy in the 5's, bet its close to 100 grand. Youre into the wrong cars if you want top speed, buicks have tons of low end grunt. Ignorance is bliss, i suppose though.

can a moderator lock this before it gets out of hand? people have been banned for the same argument as this...

 

[QUOTE='71buickg.s.]lots of 4 bangers are into the salt flats, actually, most older cars ran big ford 4's... gm backs several sport compacts, the saturn ion is one of them. Go do some research and find out how much it cost to get a chevy in the 5's, bet its close to 100 grand. Youre into the wrong cars if you want top speed, buicks have tons of low end grunt. Ignorance is bliss, i suppose though.

can a moderator lock this before it gets out of hand? people have been banned for the same argument as this...[/QUOTE]

Whatever you say. Just because buicks have low end grunt doesn't mean they can't be built for top speed. My goal for my 350 is 150 MPH or more. I'll even take a pic of the speedo if you want! Yeah, I am that crazy, by the way! :bglasses: I'm done here, no more arguing for me. :Smarty: :TU: