Help with what I bought? VIN, Codes and etc.

Discussion in 'The "Paper Trail"' started by Sarge-O, Dec 29, 2016.

  1. Sarge-O

    Sarge-O Member

    I recently purchased a 1971 Buick GS 455, Fire Red with white vinyl top. Interior is pearl white with bucket seats. Here is my VIN and Cowl Tag.

    71 - 43437 - 1 - Z - 31793
    TR - 165 - B80 - 75 - A
    06C - 440056 - 640137

    So I know it is 1971, Buick GS, 2 DR Hard Top, Built in Fremont, Cali.

    165= Pearl White Vinyl Buckets
    75= ????
    A= ???
    B80= Drip Rail Moldings
    06= June
    C= Third Week

    Can someone confirm my external colour? Is it correct being Fire Red w/ White Vinyl Top? Or is it suppose to be Regal Black?

    Now my engine. After a ton of research on the site I learned that it is a factory service replacement block.
    BIEI 3589
    1238861 (late 1971 - mid 1972).
    I= 1971
    E= Engine Plant - Is it Massena Castings Plant? OR Linden Assembly?
    3589 = Sequence #

    Can someone tell me what a exactly a factory replacement engine is? And does this effect the value?

    I was told that this was a owned by a guy in Montana and was brought brought up to Canada.
  2. thepartsman

    thepartsman Back Ordered Again ?

    TR = Trim

    75 = Fire Red

    A = White Vinyl Top

    Your VIN number is located in front of the drivers side I/P

    what you posted was the Fisher plate ID and build sequence number which are different from the VIN.
    Last edited: Dec 29, 2016
  3. garybuick

    garybuick Time Traveler

    probably the original owner blew up the motor while pusihg it to the limit in a drunken stupor and it was still under warranty so they replaced it free of charge with an identical engine. But I have no idea if it affects the value. Might make it more valuable.
  4. flynbuick

    flynbuick Guest

    No doubt, any time you have a replacement engine, you limit the pool of potential buyers. Having a replacement engine is not a plus for value.
  5. BYoung

    BYoung Stage me

    Congrats on your new GS. That's a gorgeous color combo so please share some pics on this site when you can.
  6. flynbuick

    flynbuick Guest

    Buick Engine Plant:

    Attached Files:

  7. Sarge-O

    Sarge-O Member

    Attached are photos.

    Attached Files:

  8. BYoung

    BYoung Stage me

    Very nice!
  9. 69 GS 400

    69 GS 400 Well-Known Member

    Looks very nice. Good score ! Where did you find it ?
  10. Sarge-O

    Sarge-O Member

    Lethbridge, Alberta, Canada
  11. Roberta

    Roberta Buick Berta

  12. Mister T

    Mister T Just truckin' around

    Congrats on your purchase. My youngest brother lives in Lethbridge and he might know of this car. I seem to recall him mentioning someone there who had a small car collection.
  13. Dan Healey

    Dan Healey Well-Known Member

    I agree with Jim on value, however you have the next best thing to the original motor. It is hard to tell in the picture, but it appears to have a skylark grill. Nice car though.:TU:
  14. garybuick

    garybuick Time Traveler

    Ya. I think it adds to the value in a way because it tells the story. The original owner blew it up one night while blowing away some corvette. Wounded in battle. After all it is a factory dealer replaced engine made in the same place. Its not like some guys bought a case of beer and put some jasper engine in there one weekend. Do you have documentation of the engine replacement? When was it done and at what mileage?
  15. Sarge-O

    Sarge-O Member

    Yes. The guy that I bought it from has a small car collection with a few Buick GS's. This is the second Buick GS that I have bought from him. My first was a 1970 Buick GS with a 455, TH400 and 12 bolt rear - it was originally a GS 350 car converted to a 455.
  16. Sarge-O

    Sarge-O Member

    It's been a while since I have posted anything. I have done a bunch of research on here to help identify my 1971 Buick GS 455. Confirmed a replacement block as noted above. Recently found the casting on the heads, #1231786. Can anyone tell me anything about the heads? I think they are from 1970-71.

    I also have a question on my transmission. I do not believe that it is original. The code tag on the passenger side has been removed and I located the partial VIN on the drivers side just above the pan. The VIN # is H2T05566, can anyone tell me what the VIN means, or if I can confirm what it came from?
    Is this what the numbers are
    H = Type - What type? Buick
    2 = Year so 1972
    T = Month, December
    05 = Day of Month
    Can anyone confirm?

  17. Sarge-O

    Sarge-O Member

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  18. hvramesq

    hvramesq Silver Level contributor

    Hi Trent,

    How did you research and confirm it as a factory replacement? I have a similar issue with my car. the original owner was a body/paint worker at a Buick dealer and supposedly he got a warranty motor installed.

  19. flynbuick

    flynbuick Guest

    BIE stamp on the left hand front of the block under the head.
  20. Sarge-O

    Sarge-O Member

    What Jim said. BIE should be stamped with the sequence number. I learned that the BIE# is a factory replacement block.

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