Sandwiched Body Mounts

Discussion in 'The Bench' started by BennyK81, Jun 22, 2020.

  1. BennyK81

    BennyK81 Well-Known Member

    I am in the process of replacing all my body mounts.
    Every bolt came loose except for one up front but I got it out with some heat plus was able to save the square nut.

    So now I have one side on wooden blocks and was able to get the bushings out.

    How many sandwiched bushings are there that have no bolt? I thought it's only the one above the rear axle.

    the one in front of the rear axle is not bolted to the body but the body does have a nut and the frame has an opening where you could put one in.

    Car is a 71 GS455 and all look like they are the factory bushings with part numbers on them

    Any input?

    Benny
     
  2. tsgp51

    tsgp51 Well-Known Member

    Yes, Buick did not put the lower part of the bushing and bolt in that mount. I think they thought the ride might be a bit smoother.Evevyone I know including me have put the bolt in that mount when replacing body mounts. Hope this helps. Tim
     
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  3. Dr. Roger

    Dr. Roger Stock enthusiast

    One above the rear wheel and one in front of rear wheel do not have bolts. All others are bolted in. This is a 71 below, but similar.
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  4. 64 skylark mike

    64 skylark mike Well-Known Member

    I just changed them in my '64. The ones over the axle, and the ones in front of the wheel wells were just the bumpers with no bolts. All 4 locations had the cage nuts from the factory, so I used regular body mounts with bolts. Haven't got to drive it yet so I don't know how much difference it will make yet.
    I ran a thread tap through all of the nuts with PB Blaster and installed new bolts. Made the bolts easy to install, could turn them in with a socket with fingers.
     
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  5. Electra Bob

    Electra Bob Well-Known Member

    I'm curious as to how much new mounts improve ride smoothness. Thought about it for the Electra as the ones I've seen in my crawling under the car look pretty dried out and rigid. However having had to pretty much cut off any bolt replaced under the car it's not a job I relish. Is the gain worth the pain?

    Cheers
    Bob
     
  6. 12lives

    12lives Control the controllable, let the rest go

    Benny - what body mounts are you using? ie: where did you buy them? Was it a kit? A link would be nice. Thanks!
     
  7. Dr. Roger

    Dr. Roger Stock enthusiast

  8. BennyK81

    BennyK81 Well-Known Member

    I bought them from Summit and I think it is a kit for convertibles that has extra bushings.

    I have not installed them yet but I will update with pictures once they're in. Hope they fit.

    The worst ones were the twins up front...bolts were heavily corroded and on of them snapped. Had to weld the square nut on. the heat from welding broke the bolt lose and I could turn them out with one hand on the ratchet. The other bolts do look reusable with no rust on the thread end. But I will replace them.

    This is one of the front mounts:
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  9. BennyK81

    BennyK81 Well-Known Member

    I am wondering if anyone has an explanation for the lack of bolts. My theory is that it allows the frame to flex a bit under the body without flexing the body with it. wich may probably smooth it a bit.

    What was used on Oldsmobiles or Chevys?
     
  10. gstewart

    gstewart Well-Known Member

    I purchased the convert kit from Fusik Olds many years ago.
     
  11. BennyK81

    BennyK81 Well-Known Member

    I am dissapointed by the kit...put them in on the right side but going to throw them out again...when tightening only the lower part bulges...seems way to soft.

    i have core support bushings from CARS and they look close to the stock ones...may go with CARS parts or the kit from ground up SS396 wich also has nice bolts other than the generic crap that was with the kit...will update
     
  12. 87GN_70GS

    87GN_70GS Well-Known Member

    There has been lots of discussion and threads over the years. The best mounts are BM644, BM644A and the ones from inline for Pontiac or Olds. Don t get the chevy mounts without the molded in washer. They squish too much and are unsafe.

    Bolts:

    Source for correct body bushing BOLTS.

    http://www.v8buick.com/index.php?threads/source-for-correct-body-bushing-bolts.307645/#post-2558786

    http://www.v8buick.com/index.php?threads/body-bushings.323100/#post-2699657

    http://www.v8buick.com/index.php?threads/body-bushings.326483/#post-2801356
     
  13. NoVA_69_GS350

    NoVA_69_GS350 Well-Known Member

    Just curious, got my new project a week ago, been stripping her down. Noticed the body mounts are dried up, is there a thread somewhere in how to replace them? This is my first go around with body mounts.
     
  14. 70 GMuscle

    70 GMuscle Plan B

    Is replacing these doable on a complete running car.
    Other than disconnecting incidentals and removing bumpers. Can front clip stay attached?
    Thank you.
     
  15. 64 skylark mike

    64 skylark mike Well-Known Member

    I did mine, complete running driving car, and left front clip in tact. I removed the bumpers. Also unbolted the steering box from the frame and rag joint, and hung it with wire.
     
    Last edited: Oct 28, 2020
  16. Redmanf1

    Redmanf1 Gold Level Contributor

    These are my originals with a New cars BM-644A. You can see the rubber plug cushion has incased metal ring.

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  17. 87GN_70GS

    87GN_70GS Well-Known Member

    The assembly manual is showing a different number bolt for under the door. It's slightly shorter IIRC. It is also showing a different mount for under the door, it's the "deep dish" mount sold at the Pontiac and olds vendors. I don't think the "Chevrolet" molded-in cushions are exactly correct, even thought they have been marketed as concours. 20201029_105854.jpg
     
  18. jaystoy

    jaystoy Well-Known Member

    I used the kit that Todd Miller sells, his website is stage1restoration.com. Complete bushing and hardware kit. Excellent kit
     
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  19. ToddsGS

    ToddsGS Founders Club Member

    This is one of the kits I have at this time. (I may add another kit identical to his but with the Inline Tube or FUSIK body bushings)

    This kit provides the 2) different size Body Bolts
    (NOT HARDWARE STORE BOLTS)!!! (AMK)
    Correct Size Washers are also included. (AMK)
    TPP Body Bushings
    2) Extra Body Bolt NUTS
    Core Support Bushing Kit and AMK bolts to replace the Hardware Store bolts they typically come with.
    And a GM Schematic to follow. . . .

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    Last edited: Nov 5, 2020
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  20. BennyK81

    BennyK81 Well-Known Member

    Are those the ones with the Chevrolet inprint and no molded in washers?
    After searching the whole forum the general conclusion is that the CARS mounts are closest to original. I have a set for the core support and they are exactly the size of the stock ones.
    Cannot speak for the Inline Tube ones

    Maybe you should consider the CARS ones and make a kit with flanged bolts?

    I noticed noone reproduced the most rearward mounts as they are smaller than the others...I always wonder why someone is reproing a part and doesnt get it right...
     

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