Unpleasant surprise in 50 year old pan!

Discussion in 'Small Block Tech' started by 69WILD, Nov 5, 2021.

  1. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    Do a compression check. See if the numbers are up around 180.
     
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  2. Jim Nichols

    Jim Nichols Well-Known Member

    .030 overbore raises compression. Surfacing the block to clean it up, and looking back at your pictures of heads they look milled also. All raises compression. Iron heads don't usually like more than 9.5 compression on pump gas.
     
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  3. 69WILD

    69WILD Ron

    Makes sense. I will try to do a compression check with all plugs removed. Thanks all! :D
     
  4. 69WILD

    69WILD Ron

    This test was before I replaced the bad valve seals and while the engine was burning a LOT of oil that caused the carbon buildup. Should be interesting to compare now.
     
  5. Jim Nichols

    Jim Nichols Well-Known Member

    Do you have a AFR meter? Maybe your carb is lean? Most engines like around 13 to 1 at idle, 15 to 1 cruise and 12 to 1 full throttle.
     
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  6. 69WILD

    69WILD Ron

    No afr meter yet
     
  7. 69WILD

    69WILD Ron


    So theoretically if I do actually have higher compression....... would retarding the cam gear as suggested result in better performance compared to the 0* or straight up cam gear with a race fuel mixture?
     
  8. Jim Nichols

    Jim Nichols Well-Known Member

    Your peak TQ and HP will move up about 500RPM from before and your Dynamic compression will drop from about 8 to 7.5. You would lose a little on the low end and gain on the top end. Without the detonation it would feel better throughout the range. Do an ET and compare from before.
     
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  9. DaWildcat

    DaWildcat Platinum Level Contributor

    Hi Ron, late to the discussion!

    Quick answer, no. Knowing the actual cam to crank timing is a must, so don't just change it for the sake of experiment. Measure it first so we know where you are.

    From what I've read right here on V8, your Silvolite flat top V6 pistons should be giving you less than 10:1 static compression ratio. That shouldn't be a problem with pump gasoline.

    Can't be sure where to go next without measuring things.

    Devon
     
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  10. Jim Nichols

    Jim Nichols Well-Known Member

    If your cam has 4 degrees advance built in, straight up is already 4 degrees advance. So when you retard it 4 degrees you are really zero or straight up. If you put it on 4 degrees advance you are really 8 degrees advance.
     
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  11. 69WILD

    69WILD Ron

    My understanding is my 284-88h cam doesn't have any advance built in. I installed straight up and my dial indicator showed equal overlap at #1 tdc. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
     
  12. 69WILD

    69WILD Ron

    It turns out that my balancer was fine. The discrepancy was due to the wrong timing indicator installed on my timing cover. It was for a v6. I replaced it with correct one in August of 22.
     

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  13. Mark Demko

    Mark Demko Well-Known Member

    IIRC, the timing indicator in the first pic is the same as the one I’ve been running for 39 years.
     
  14. 69WILD

    69WILD Ron

    20240321_084458.jpg
    The first one on mine was for a v6 and 8* off i believe. Compare your number placements to my v6 indicator. It was misleading me for over 35 years. 20240321_083945.jpg
     
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  15. Mark Demko

    Mark Demko Well-Known Member

    I’m curious nowo_O
     
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  16. 69WILD

    69WILD Ron

    I talked with Mike at TA this morning. He said the cam has no advance ground. He is thinking carb is too lean. He thinks my compression should be about 9.5 with my modifications. He says my car is a dog if it still runs 15s in the 1/4 with this combination. Should be noticeably better.

    He said it would be hard to say what a compression gauge should read with this cam but I plan on doing it soon. .......Does anyone have this cam that ever did a compression test?
     
    Last edited: Mar 21, 2024
  17. alec296

    alec296 i need another buick

    .030 will set up at 9.8 roughly. .020 off block will net you about 10.2.
     
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  18. 69WILD

    69WILD Ron

    20240321_170907.jpg Compression test revealed 175-180 on all cylinders.
    Middle plug pictured is ur5 that was in #4 cylinder. outside ones are ur4. I was going to check the ur5 in #4after a few 100 miles. I forgot. Other 7 were ur4.
    .......I'm thinking replace all with ur5 plugs.

    Here's all.
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  19. 69WILD

    69WILD Ron

    Cam card. 20240321_173027.jpg
     
  20. Mark Demko

    Mark Demko Well-Known Member

    IMG_1935.jpeg
    Went out and snapped a pic of mine, looks identical.
     

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