Paul, Both you and the car look great. Pegleg, Linda may have started out as a 450 hp model, but it sounds like it may be a time for a rebuild? ou: As for the topic at hand, the writing was on the wall. Someone tries to make things a little different and causes a lot of headache in the process. Great for getting numbers at his race, but it makes a mess for anyone getting out of that fishbowl. :Smarty:
The rest of the story.......straight from Georgia.........hairdo is a little much now, but was really the thing back then.
I think what it comes down to is that Gonzo doesn't want to do the police work so he just lets anything within reason slide.Not really enough time in the day (allthough you can sit around at Etown for long periods of time) The sad part is that it really doesn't make any of the pure stockers passes valid.I'd imagine that is why most of the "regulars" stay away.It's a shame really, cars can fly here on the east coast in Nov
Excuse me while I whip these out... Dave: I figure I owe ya for the MCE, so I figured I'd post these Linda pics for ya...just minutes ago I was thumbing through a CD someone sent me of some old school S/S pics, and these were on it... WARNING: the last couple of pics below may push the "PG" envelope, so don't open these if your boss is in your cubicle! [this means you, Stefina!] Rusty, you might wanna hide the little guy's eyes, too! :grin: http://www.yenko.net/attachments/linda0062.jpg http://www.yenko.net/attachments/linda0063.jpg http://www.yenko.net/attachments/linda0064.jpg http://www.yenko.net/attachments/linda0065.jpg
I hate to break up this Linda Lovefest, but I thought that Gonzo's relaxation of the rules was specifically to make the event open to more participants instead of such an exclusive club. (Or am I mixing this up with another non-Pure Stock event?) Sounds like a good idea to me. What's the big deal? Do you guys feel threatened by his event and his rules? o No: I'm missing something here.
I have been to both events and enjoyed them both alot.I see a few somewhat negative comments directed to the Gonzo events.I guess I am new to this racing after beeing out of that loop like I was in the 80's and early 90's. The only thing that I could say in a negative way about the Gonzo event was not many runs for a full day spent at the track.It was only $30 but I would have gladly paid more like they do in Stanton to have a day or days at the track to ourselves . That is my only complaint .Racing muscle cars is fun in NJ just like it is in Mich or any other state If it is just I dont want to trailer 700-800 miles to race there then that is your personal preferrence and negative comments should be kept to yourself. I have raced at 21 diffrent tracks from Canada to Texas to Nj and the south nobody but my desire to race made me . I raced at Stanton in september with a just finnished untested car with a badly slipping 2nd gear my best time was in the mid 14's and I was embarrssed and my desire to run better had me tweaking at the track 6 times before the NJ race where I ran a 12.92 .I will continue to go to every event that I can in my continueing quest for a better ET. I enjoy the racing and the racers everywhere Ive raced . I am having G force cravings and spring is so far away I don't know if I will make it .I hope that someone can tell me what the diffrences are in the rules that cause any concern for the racers between the Stanton and Gonzo events. Hope to see many of you in a few months
Your missing the point. If Gonzo had used the long established rules instead of trying to make up his own all the F/S participants at E-town could participate at Stanton and Martin. Then there would be three events for folks to attend without concerns or confusion. BTW, how many times have you raced at the E-town event, I hear it's not as exclusive and headers are allowed! :beer :laugh:
I thought a soft suspension set up was the key to good 60 foot times ??? although Pete might cite her for removing the front sway bar.......
On that note Donny, I would have loved to been tech in '66! :TU: ....of course that was before I was born! ou:
Never saw those last three before. You da' Man, Rob. Thanks. One thing from an old, sometimes wise person: When we see someone today that we knew in the past, we see them as we did years before when we met them with a little aging (a lot of aging on some cases like mine). If you're just seeing someone that's old for the first time, that's all you're seeing. We see a lot more, You, too, will see that some day. It's a whole different perspective. I really like the way they do the Cold Case Files TV show on CBS. They use that technique. It's cool.
And if those established rules had been used, Gonzo's event would've only drawn half as many participants (if not last year, at some point when it's better established). And it would've been the same, boring :grin: Pure Stock participants we see at the other races. When I grow up, I'll have a tow rig so I can go to events like that. Of course, by then I'll be so old I'll have ditched the headers and only want to race at Pure Stock sanctioned events. :moonu:
The problem with the rules differences is that most of us can race at his event, but most of them cannot run at our event. It is unfortunate that he did not adopt the Pure Stock rules. It just would have made life easier. Some of the differences I can recall off the top of my head are.................. Gonzo allows any part # head. Pure stock requires the right part # head. Gonzo allows any camshaft, where as we require stock lift and duration. Gonzo allows cleaned up and "minor" ported heads. Pure stock allows none. Gonzo allows upgraded wheels and tires to 15 inch and 60 series tires. Pure Stock does not. Gonzo allows any size Holley up to 850. Pure Stock requires correct cfm. Gonzo allows carb spacers. Pure Stock does not. Gonzo allows electric fuel pumps. Pure Stock does not. Gonzo allows any OEM intake manifold from any year. Pure Stock does not. Gonzo allows any OEMexhaust manifold. Pure Stock wants the correct part#. Pure Stock will allow you to extract all you can out of your motor, where as at Gonzo's race, once you hit 11.99, you are put in FAST class. Kind of makes it a Factory stock bracket race. Too bad, cause I did have a good time racing there, and it makes it difficult for the boyz that want to come race this way! Peter
#112 Today, 07:19 PM COPO PETE I think you are off on some of his rules Here are Gonzos rules for -Factory Stock Rules The intention of these rules is to provide an easy-to-understand guide to factory stock drag racing. All entries must follow the intent or spirit of the F.S. rules. However, there may come a time when a participant misinterprets the F.S intent. In all instances, the F.S coordinator will make the final interpretation on the rules. Due to the overwhelming number of correct* car and engine combinations, and due to the fact that many parts are no longer available, if you believe that you have a valid reason why your car could not follow the letter of the following rules, contact the rule coordinator for a decision. NOTE Throughout this rules document, all references to correct* acknowledge that it is proper for the year, make, model and horsepower claimed, for both the car and engine claimed. The car year, make, model, body style and engine combination must all have been produced and available to the general public in the year claimed, in an actual car. This class is for 1955 to 1974 muscle cars built in United States and Canadian assembly plants. Factory lightweight cars built for sanctioned drag racing and dealership built/modified cars are not eligible to participate. Cars must be equipped with a minimum of four-barrel carburetion, dual exhaust, and other factory installed equipment that promotes a high performance image. ANYONE USING NITROUS OXIDE WILL BE BANNED FROM PARTICIPATING FOR LIFE! BODY The original appearance must be retained. No custom or fiberglass replacement panels are allowed. No "custom" paint colors, designs, or lettering is allowed. The car must retain the correct* stock ride height. Bumpers must retain original bracing and reinforcements. Correct* inner fender panels, front and rear, must be retained. Factory hood scoops, ram air, fresh air induction must be correct*. No aftermarket or homemade induction units of any kind are allowed! K&N , Amsoil air filters, oil filters are allowed. INTERIOR Interior seating, trim, and materials must be correct*. Aftermarket tachs and gauges are allowed if mounted on the steering column or under the dash. OEM glass only. All windows must be functional and closed during all runs. Hood must be fully closed during all runs. ENGINE Must be factory correct*. Original OEM blocks only, or OEM replacement blocks if they duplicate the correct* vintage block in design, material, appearance, size, weight and performance. Dealer installed engines and dealer performed modifications are not allowed. Cylinder heads, Intake and exhaust manifolds must be correct*, have correct* casting numbers and be of correct* material. Engine compartment must look factory correct*. Overbores up to .070 allowed. No light weight rods or pistons allowed. Stock cranks only. ( No strokers). Replacement forged pistons allowed. Engine torque strap OK. Note: Any Block, Head, Intake or Exhaust manifold that is not the correct* casting number, must be approved by the F.S coordiantor before a race. This will be applicable only if the part in question is the exact same, but was forged under a different casting number. Any OK`ed parts will receive a letter signed by the coordiantor. FUEL SYSTEM & CARBURETOR The carburetor and air filter housing assembly must be correct*. Mechanical secondary carbs cannot be substituted if vacuum operated units were original to the car. The stock mechanical fuel pump must be retained. No fuel pressure gauges are allowed. Carb choke assembly MUST be in place and functional. Factory fuel lines are required. No rubber lines allowed unless originally equipped as such. All qualifying and race runs must be done with the correct* air filter housing and an air filter in place. Carb spacers are not allowed. EXHAUST Cast iron exhaust manifolds are mandatory and must be correct*. No internal modification`s allowed (porting or extrude honing). Under no circumstances will headers be allowed, including those cars that had headers delivered in the trunk. Exhaust systems may be upgraded to a maximum of 2.5" diameter head and tail pipes. Pipes must exit in the correct* original location. Mufflers must be stock looking in design, that is oval in shape. Excessive exhaust leaks are not allowed. Certain Max Wedge cars left the factory with 3" inch head pipes, these cars can retain these head pipes up to, but not past, the transmission tail-shaft. Although equipped from the factory with cut-outs, all runs must be made with closed exhaust running through the mufflers. CAM AND VALVE TRAIN Valve Train: Valve covers must be correct*. No roller rockers. Rocker arm ratio must be correct*. Random requests for valve cover removal will happen. Adjustable rockers the same as stock ratio will be allowed, if not roller. Adjustable pushrods allowed. Poly-lock type adj nuts and crimp nuts allowed. Camshaft: MUST SOUND STOCK!!!-We all know what a STOCK cam sounds like! Camshaft must be STOCK, both in lift and duration for HP claimed. Engines must be able to produce 16.0 inches @ 1200rpm. Certain factory produced engines were not able to generate 16.0 inches of vacuum in showroom condition. Those cars will be given a variance on this rule. Factory Stock coordiantor will have final say on camshaft idle characteristics. Pulleys: All pulleys must be factory issue and be correct*. Belts running the water pump and alternator must be retained at all times. IGNITION SYSTEM The ignition system must appear correct, including the distributor, distributor cap and coil. Coil must be retained in the correct* location. Ignition boxes, if used, must be mounted out of sight. Spark plug wires must be black or correct factory color, 8mm maximum diameter, have no aftermarket lettering on them. Points may be replaced with electronic conversion kits that fit under the cap. COOLING & ELECTRICAL Cooling System: The radiator, fan and radiator shroud must be correct. Overflow cans of at least 20 oz. are required. No light weight flex fans allowed. Electrical System: The battery must be retained in the correct* location and securely fastened down with original style hold down. The charging system must be fully operational at all times. DRIVETRAIN Automatic Transmission: Transmission must be correct*. No aftermarket shifters allowed. Shift improver kits allowed. Manual Transmission: The transmission must be correct*. 3 speeds may be upgraded to 4 speeds if originally available. No aftermarket shifters allowed. Scattersheilds are OK. Rear Axles: The rear axle must be of the same manufacturer as the car. Driveshaft safety loop required on cars running faster than 13.99. SUSPENSION Traction devices are limited to hop stop bars for upper control arms on coil spring cars. Aftermarket upper or lower control arms on coil spring cars are not allowed. Pinion snubbers and clamping of leaf springs are allowed on leaf spring cars. No slapper bars or ladder bars of any kind are allowed, unless originally equipped from the factory. Factory documentation will be required to prove authenticity for any cars with bolt on traction devices. No dealer installed traction devices allowed. Stock ride height required. TIRES & WHEELS Wheels must be Factory correct*, including correct* diameter, width and offset. All 4 wheels and tires must be same size. Original equipment reproduction bias-ply tires and radials allowed, no soft compound tires of any kind are allowed. Retread tires are not allowed. If the correct* tire for your car was originally a 60 series, you may run a maximum tire size of G-60 or the equivalent size radial, all other cars may run a maximum tire size of G-70 or the equivalent size radial. ALL TRACK SAFETY RULES APPLY AND YOU MUST PASS TRACK TECH! TECH: All entries in the Factory Stock class will have to conform to all the rules as written. Random reqest for cubic inch test (P&G), vacuum test (cam) and valve cover removal WILL happen. Anyone who will not comply with the F.S tech will be forced into the Factory Appearing class, but only if they fit the rules of that class.
cjfordman: those aren't the rules for Gonzo's event, those are the "Factory Stock" rules listed on the FAST page (like for the Martin event)...the FAST/Factory Stock @ Martin event and Gonzo's Etown event are 2 very different animals...
Gonzo's Camshaft Posted July 23, 2005 07:59 PM Valve covers must be OEM correct for your car. Any aftermarket cam is allowed. As long as it meets the following characteristics: Camshaft: Must SOUND Stock! PLEASE READ AGAIN..... Camshaft must SOUND Stock. Engines must be able to idle at 900 rpm. You must be able to generate 15.0 inches of vacuum at idle. This means if your car cannot idle properly you will be put in F.A.S.T. class. If your car sounds like it has a mean cam, then its too wild for Factory Stock class, and you will be in F.A.S.T. We will strickly enforce this rule in 2006 Oldsmobile W30's, Chevrolet 427 L-88's & 454 LS6's, Pontiac Ram Air IV's, Mopar Max Wedge's....all had wilder camshafts then most of the average muscle cars out there, they are allowed some leeway. However a Pontiac 389 Tripower had a relatively mild camshaft and is expected to idle as such, as well as ALL other similar cammed vehicles. This is Gonzo's camshaft rules. Totally different than what you have above. Any camshaft as long as it sounds stock is NOT stock. Jim ou: These cylinder head rules are not the same either. Posted July 23, 2005 07:57 PM Original OEM Cylinder heads only from the period 1960-1975. No aftermarket heads. No later superseded OEM replacements. Absolutely NO Aluminum heads.If you have an aftermarket aluminum head on your car you will be put in MCE class. Unless your car came from the factory with them and you can prove it. Your Cylinder Heads must have been available as a factory option in your particular car. But they do not have to be numbers matching. Examples: Pontiac: You can use any D-port Pontiac head you want from 1960-1975. You can use round port heads only from 1969-1974 in a 1969-1974 car. If you have a 68 you can use RA 2 heads, if you can find them. Chevy: Small blocks, you can use any iron small block head you want from 1960-1975 Big Blocks, you can use any iron oval port head you want from 1966-1975. you can use any iron rectangular port heads from 1966-1971 only in a car from 1966-1971. Buicks: You can use any head you want from 1960-1975 Olds: You can use any head you want from 1960-1975 Mopar: Small Blocks: You can use any head you want from 1960-1975 Big Blocks: You can use any head you want from 1960-1975 No dual plug heads original or aftermarket. NO Aluminum Heads Period. Ford: Original Cobra Jet & FE Heads only and they must be produced from 1960-1975, no exceptions. Other wise all '385' series engines can use any CJ head, and FE series engines can use any FE series heads, as long as they are accurate representations of the car your are trying to present. The Cylinder head rules as you can see are extremely lax. The idea is for you to build a legitimate representation of a car that was produced by the factory. NOT you own concoction of factory heads and miscellaneous parts. Example: in 1967 there were no 440 6 pack barracudas, therefore you can't build one. in 1966 there were no RAIV round port pontiac GTO's, therefore you can't build one. Your Cylinder Heads must have been available as a factory option in your particular car. But they do not have to be numbers matching. We are not going by NHRA rules, we don't care if they say you can have an aluminum head, you can't here. This race is not for you to try to cheat at. This is for factory produced muscle cars and parts from 1960-1975. Removal of pollution control air pump is allowed. Cylinder head minor modifications allowed, port cleanup, new valves, springs etc. Major head porting not allowed. Higher compression than stock not allowed. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Intake manifolds: These rules are very similar to the cylinder head rules: No aftermarket aluminum intakes If you have an aftermarket intake aluminum manifold on your car you will be put in MCE class. Your Intake Manifold must have been available as a factory option in your particular car. But they do not have to be numbers matching. The idea is for you to build a legitimate representation of a car that was produced by the factory. NOT you own concoction of factory intakes and miscellaneous parts. If the factory produced an aluminum intake manifold in the year of your car, then you can have one. example again: in 1967 there were no 440 6 pack intaked barracudas, therefore you can't have one. in 1966 there were no RAIV round port Intake Manifold Pontiac GTO's, therefore you can't have one. in 1966 there were no Quadrajet carbs therefore you can't use one on your car. ------------------------------------------- Engine Blocks: Original OEM blocks only from the period 1960-1975. No later crate engine replacements. No raised deck, raised cam, big bore or aftermarket blocks are allowed. Supposed dealer installed engines and dealer performed modifications are not allowed. Your engine block must have been available the same year of your car. examples: 1964-1966 Pontiac GTO's are allowed 389 cubic inches and 389 blocks 1967-1969 Pontiac GTO's/Firebirds are allowed 400 cubic inches and 400 blocks 1970-1972 Pontiac GTO's/Firebirds are allowed 400/455 cubic inches and 400/455 blocks Same for Oldsmobile & Buicks 400 cubes in early cars and 400/455 in 1970 and later cars 1966-1969 Chevrolet Chevelles/Camaro's are allowed 396 cubic inches and 396 OEM ONLY blocks 1970-1971 Chevrolet Chevelles/Camaro's are allowed 396/454 cubic inches and 396/454 blocks I am sure you get the idea now, you don't have to be numbers matching but you MUST have a correct representation of your car as it left the factory. Again blocks do not have to be "numbers-matching," but they must be close to the correct displacement. You may be checked for correct casting numbers on certain engine configurations. Overbores up to .060" are allowed.
http://forums.factorystockmusclecars.com/eve/forums/a/frm/f/352100271 these are Gonzo's rule.......... and now, a Caprice photo
This is a reply on GONZO's own site, by GONZO himself about the Hemi vs. Vette vs. Buick shootout in Hot Rod..... Talk about a hypocritical statement ..... geeeeeeshhh . And I quote: "If you change the rules" ..... HELLO !!!! Kinda like you changed the rules for FAST and Pure Stock at your event GONZO. I guess that I can say with backing from GONZO .... "when you change the rules, the event/shootout is POINTLESS in my opinion....." :Smarty:
