On another note, piss-poor track prep as a substitute for enforcing rules is a bad idea looking from a safety standpoint:Smarty: I for one would hate to see someone get hurt at the expense of letting the ego manics run rampant. It used to be that once someone reached a point where they "just weren't happy" with the performance level of a Pure Stock Musclecar, they made the switch to FAST class. Now people who aren't happy with the level of performance their wallet allows in FAST, make the switch to Pure Stock? I guess I don't get what makes other people tick, but then again I'm perfectly content with my average member,and more money isn't going to change that. Oh, My Dad can beat your Dad up.
From the "I Don't Give a Damn Anymore" Club ...... I could give 2 sh!ts if the fastest Pure Stocker goes 8.50's. BUT... IF it affects the race where I can no longer race my 14 second car, I'm gonna be PISSED !!! :rant:
Yes, because there are many "up front" P/S cars. The premise of P/S is to make your particular car choice run as quick as it can within the rules. So there are "up front" BB cars, Small block cars, Large cars, pony cars.......etc etc. Example: the quickest '50's car was Paul Richards '57 Vette. The highest Ford RWHP car was my Mercury Marauder. Heck... Donny Brass has made multiple lists of other "up front" cars. If you want your car to be the number one low ET no matter what then you go to F.A.S.T. Where the price of number one is south of 9.86. :TU:
What? 80% of the FAST races are done in a 2 of 3 format, same as pure stock.. We have the fastest small block, wedge, Hemi, and Ford just like the Pure Stocks. FAST is not a class where you run 9.86 or go home. The top half of the P/S feild is faster the the bottom half of the FAST feild for gods sake. If you want to win in FAST you build a 9 second car, if you want to win in Pure Stock it's 11.18 ET and the MPH is 125.. To say there is not winner in Pure Stock is crazy? The winner is who wins the shoot-out between the #1 & #2 qualifier and that's the price of addmission in Pure Stock. Personally i'm not going for that, i'm just looking to scale back and have fun.
To Brian's point, P/S wasn't supposed to be about having the fastest time overall. The best that your 'original' combination can run was the goal and the 'spirit' of the rules... and then win your shootout. When guys went beyond simple tuning, and began tearing down their cars to find more, is when the 'corruption' began. The creation of F.A.S.T. was supposed to effectively separate the groups; unfortunately most agree that hasn't really panned out either. We all have respect for the F.A.S.T. guys and what they've accomplished through incredible effort, re-engineering, 'stealth' tactics and $. There shouldn't be room for that in P/S. I remember reading something a while ago that compared the honesty of pro-golfers to every other sport. The message was that pro-golfers are known to disqualify themselves for the sake of honour rather than accept an achievement under false pretenses; that's seen in no other sport. I never thought I'd say something like this, but I think we need more golfers in P/S. FORE!
To say there is ONE winner is crazy. To say there are as many winners as there are pairings is correct. Why? because there has never been an eliminations ladder and one was never intended. This gives all cars the opportunity to be competitive in their pairing.....Genius! This is why turnout has been better than any musclecar class ever. Being the low ET pairing winner is only that.....not the overall winner......there is no such thing. ou: Now that I've said the "kings" have no clothes, they'll start beating up the race organisers to start a ladder..........again. ou: Sorry Dan and Bob.
The guy's who make the back roll are the badazzes, the winner is the person who wins the final match up, sorry... I never looked at it any other way? In the tower they definitely tell the people in the stands who the low qualifiers are, I never really heard them say "here comes the 96th qualifier". Everybody must look at it differently and that's ok, it's all good..
Wow, i think that might offend Alot of people. We always said we where chum or filler at fast races, but in pure stock thats not what it's supposed to be what it's about. Where else can you see unique cars that run hard, that aren't GTO's , Vettes, Cuda's ? :-( I see alotta Baddass cars
So, all we need is the two fastest cars to show up and race each other since that is all that matters. Sure will save a lot of time to run the race...... Will save all of the slower cars (the losers) a lot of money, too.
You have to applaud Daves honesty Tim, even if you don't agree with him. At the Pure Stock Drags I have raced my 72 340 Cuda that is a original car, not really enough to hold my attention. The Duster adds a little flair having a little more power and being a stick. Lately I have been thinking about that back row car as well. Some just aren't built for the middle of the pack. There is a different breed that hangs out back there. That row is made up of the "heavy Iron" it is sexually attractive. I have said before that this race is made up of all different kinds of people from the guys that go for ice cream to the guys with the taste of blood in their mouth. I kind of think that is what makes the race what it is. One type can't understand the other though. I would bet if you asked everyone that races at the Pure Stock Drags if they wanted to go faster they would all respond "yes". I would also bet if you asked everyone that attended the race who the number one qualifier was they would know who it was. If you asked them what race they wouldn't run for nachos during I think they would say the race that the number one and two qualifier were in. It sure makes things interesting :Brow: :Brow: :Brow:
Dave I'm sorry but you telling me that my 70 Buick is not "badazzes" really does not set well with me. It will never "make the back roll" But what is it that is not badazz? The 12.81@ 105.87 personal best? The 1.85 60ft? My Avatar pic with the left front up? Maybe the 13.036 @ 106.04. Best race time/ 13.034 @ 106.04 Entire Event from Hemmings Muscle Machines February 2012 Page 34 sure isn't badazz according to your standards. But what about the fact that I take my kids to get ice cream with it between races so much that guys in Tecumseh started asking Bob Boden who's Buick do I keep seeing around town. By the way I just finished 2 changes that SHOULD make me faster. But the best part of taking the car out Tuesday was passing the Clary family and getting a :TU:. It was almost like summer. The 96th qualifier you speak of might of won the closest race of the event. Might be a crowd favorite etc etc etc. Is 11.99 cool. 12.20 ballpark cool. 12.50 total stone. What about #5 on The 50 Fastest List at 13.50 @ 105. If a guy builds his favorite muscle car and pulls off a 13.50 can he say I'm 68 Hemi Charger COOL if its stock and 1968 Nothing personal, and just my 2 cents.
Mr Cannon was this race that you were falling asleep during a close race. Fender to fender? Kinda what Pure Stock is about
What can I say Jeremy? My little Cuda just isn't a wild ride. After 20 runs in time shots with no real gains I feel like I'm just whipping the death out of it. By the time the shootouts come along I just can't wait for it to be over. The car shifts itself and never spins a tire, its painful. I prefer more performance is all. As for the fender to fender thing, that is the way drag racing is supposed to be. Most every bracket race I have entered has come down to a fender to fender finish. So to be honest it isn't that unique for me.
Tom -Yup that is true- Butt...... Much like Ive been told in the past , Everyones got an A$$hole- I just don't like what his is sprayin. If everyone comes to that race just to see the top two cars, we are doomed.. I see alotta cool cars spread all over that field. I think thats why all the Magazines come from all over to see something cool and different. Kinda blow if they only covered the top 2- wouldn't it ???
I'm not saying there isn't cool cars from the 3-4 pairing to the end. As a old class racer used to tell me "When you win they HAVE to take your picture". That said it would blow to see one and two get all the ink.
Good point Steve. It would make for a whole different race. I took a 14.20 Duster there this year and had just as much fun as when my 13.30 Road Runner was there. Fun is the key word for me. When I'm at the U.S. Nationals in Indy, I enjoy the 4 second Top Fuelers, but enjoy the "slow" Stock and Super Stockers best. Dave
That's about the stupidest thing i have ever heard, !****** retarded.. Steve, why don't you go back and read my post again pal.. I simply stated i believe there is a winner in P/S and if somebody is insisting on putting a 9.98 price to play in FAST which almost all last year ran the 2 of 3 format (same as P/S) then the price to play in P/S is 11.18. I was disputing what was said about FAST "if you are not the fastest guy go home attuide" I certainly enjoy watching the faster cars and I do enjoy watching all the cars. Only a idiot would say only the two fastest cars are the only two who should s:af:how. There is a place for everbody and the slower guys are not filler or chum. It takes all of our cars to m:af:ake an event great. Nice post.....
Can you guy's give me a minute to go get a bag of popcorn, this is almost like being in a time machine and going back 12 years into the past, back to the year Jack Irons,Joel,and I can't remember, maybe Terry and Dave, all got booted from the Pure Stock Drags, and FAST was born. Who was the poet that said something like "Those who do not study History are Doomed to repeat it"? Let's put the guns and knives away guy's. We all do this every winter(cabin fever??) All we do is throw stones at each other, and get Dan and Bob to the point where they are ready to cancel the event. To each his own said the Lady as she kissed the Cow. I guess we will get a good idea of what the cars are going to run at Martin in June, and if people get to Stanton in September and knock it out of the ballpark, get trailered and sent home, we will have the answer to the question in the first post.
