fahrenheit 911

I find it funny ALL of the news networks are slamming MM over his irresponsible liing about the truth in his so called documentary. He or even his spokesman wouldnt even show up to Scarborough country last night. I guess he's tired of being told he's wrong!!!!

 

I was a huge fan of Michael Moore when he was the black, heavyweight, southpaw boxing champ of the late 80's & early 90's. Okay, fine, that is Michael Moore(r).

 

I was a great fan of Michael Moore in Live and Let Die and A View To A Kill...

Oh wait, that was Roger Moore! :grin:

 

Ok, I'll admit, I'm a much bigger fan of Mandy Moore and Demi Moore than I am of Michael Moore...

 

Isn't there also a author by that name, Stormbringer?

 

I think everyone should at least see the "movie" Fahrenheit 9/11...... If you think it is filled with propaganda and falsities, then you can go back to burying your head in the sand. Alot of what he interviews is "opinion" from the people, but alot of the documented facts on the "who, what and wheres" are true. We are there for the oil....... and to make companies that have ties to Bush and his friends lots of money. Double check some of the "facts" from the movie...... I did! It's disgusting that he and his father would use his position even before he was president to gain billions of dollars for the BinLaden family. It all trickles down to his friends and colleague's companies.
Now that he and Ashcroft have taken most of our consitutional rights away, he can legally do whatever he wants........ Bush is as much of a terrorist as Bin Laden. He has lied to us, taken our rights, and sent over a 1,000 of us to our deaths in Iraq........ which had nothing to do with 9/11. :af:

I am still waiting for them to find weapons of mass destruction. ........ where are they???? They never existed, and Colin Powell even said that...so did Bush. ou: This war is a hoax on the American Public........ and we have to foot the bill, while his friends companies gain billions from it.

I am sending Bush a bag of pretzels...... maybe the lying SOB will choke to death. :rant:

Ok..I'm done........ no need to reply slamming me, I figured since everyone else said thier piece. :grin:

Just go see the movie....... :Smarty:

Mike

 

Duh of course, we need the oil. Do you want to pay $5 for a gallon of gas???


See we need to use up all of their oil first. Until we tap into our sources. There is 100years worth under lake Michigan. But it would pollute our fresh water supply and cost allot to get at it. Stability in the middle east is esitinal to our survival.

Anyone who wants to make money gets into oil. [The president and his family and friend are just smart with their money] I knew a girl who put $3000 into oil stocks and over 2-3 years pull out $5-7000, keeping the original $3000 in there to ride it out.

But so what if oil is the underlying point. People who live in the middle east have the right not to be under the thumb of an evil dictator. You think Sadam shoul still be in power???

1000 soliders is minimal. This is war. 1000 a day is a bad war. I can live with it.

Fact is. Once we establish a Democratic government there. They can vote us out and tell us to leave. But they wont.

Define WMD plz??? Iraq had / had plenty of nuclear material. Though its disappearing at an alarming rate. Do not rile on the American media for your facts. The news is just another form of reality TV. You only see what they want you to see.

"The US removed nearly two tonnes of low-enriched uranium from Iraq earlier this year. The IAEA has verified that 550 tonnes of nuclear material still remain at Tuwaitha. "


Nuclear assets 'vanish' in Iraq

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3735224.stm

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Equipment and materials that could be used to make nuclear arms have been vanishing in Iraq since the invasion, the United Nations has warned.

Satellite images show entire buildings have been dismantled without any record being made, said Mohamed ElBaradei, the head of the UN nuclear watchdog.

Iraq's US-backed leaders have not reported to the UN on the state of nuclear plants despite a duty to do so.

But they have asked the UN to help sell off unwanted nuclear material.

The disappearance of such equipment and materials may be of proliferation significance

Mohamed ElBaradei


Iraq's nuclear puzzle
Inspectors from Mr ElBaradei's International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), who established that Saddam Hussein had abandoned any nuclear weapons programme before the war, have not been allowed to move about Iraq freely by the US.

Apart from a couple of limited checks on the main nuclear facility at Tuwaitha last June after reports of looting - and with no teams now on the ground - the IAEA has to rely on satellite imagery and other sources.

In a letter to the UN Security Council, Mr ElBaradei said buildings related to Iraq's previous nuclear programme appeared to have been systematically dismantled and equipment and material removed.

"The disappearance of such equipment and materials may be of proliferation significance," the IAEA director general warned.

No reports

Sensitive technology such as rocket engines has turned up for sale abroad, Mr ElBaradei said.

However, high-precision "dual-use" items including milling machines and electron beam welders appear to have disappeared, as has material such as high-strength aluminium.


Mr ElBaradei called on any state with information on the location of such items to inform his agency.

The US removed nearly two tonnes of low-enriched uranium from Iraq earlier this year. The IAEA has verified that 550 tonnes of nuclear material still remain at Tuwaitha.

Iraq, the agency says, has asked for help to sell the nuclear material and in dismantling and decontaminating former nuclear facilities.

Mr ElBaradei reminded the Security Council that Iraq was still obliged to "declare semi-annually changes that have occurred or are foreseen at sites deemed relevant" by the IAEA.

However, since March 2003 "the agency has received no such notifications or declarations from any state", he said.

Last week, a report from chief US weapons inspector Charles Duelfer concluded that Saddam Hussein had stopped trying to build weapons of mass destruction following the 1991 Gulf War.

 

One Pepsi can full of radioactive material could make an entire city uninhabitable for years and years. Not to mention the health risks. Just cause it doesn't go boom like a real nuke, does not mean it won't kill or harm as many people.

 

911 Sux

mikkel mooronikov

 

Anyone who still thinks that our interests in the Mid East are ONLY about oil need to the their heads out of their a$$e$.

As was stated earlier, stability in the Mid East is ESSENTIAL to human survival. Like, the bigger picture. I can't believe there are still people who don't see that. :error:

To use F 911 as a basis to make your point......well, what can I say. Independent thinking people look at all the facts and make THEIR OWN decisions. Kool Aid drinkers use F 911 as their fact bible. :error:

 

Criticizing the government and spreading propoganda are a bit different.
Moorehole thinks Bush lied to start a war for political gain. A "fictitious" war, in his own words.

Anyone with a cerebellum can see Bush is not the lying type and furthermore any upright thinking person can understand Bush is not a murderer and sees the terrorist activity in Iraq as a serious breeding ground for the next 911. Not the movie either, the real one. Could there have been a better exit strategy? Probably. Does that mean it was wrong to go in? Hell no.

"Oh but Ken, the terrorism in Iraq is worse since we invaded Iraq. We were better off not going in".

Do you truly believe that? If so, you are beyond help.

Why do you think that is? That the suicide bombing and killings are worse today (today) in Iraq? Could it be that right around the corner the terrorists see that if elections and a subsequent democracy take hold in Iraq, that they would no longer have this lovely breeding ground with Saddam's help to strengthen? Did you actually expect them to lay down and give up?

Forget my analysis. History will prove this was the correct measure. You can't dispute it when it proves itself.

" But Ken, Iran and North Korea are a bigger threat". "We should have gone in there first". Or I like this one "does that mean we're going to go and bomb every country we don't like"? Sounds like a real educated question.

Answer: If terrorists actively train there and the government that shelters them does nothing about it, yes.

Also, not every disease is treated by the same medicine. Same holds true for countries who harbor terrorists or break treaties and resolutions. That's why Bush is president. If he thought like half us idiots (yes, I'm speaking for myself p ) we'd be in a bad Sylvestor Stallone movie.

 

We've been actively involved for decades in that process. We have to be careful with Sharon. He's not a Netanyahu. He thinks differently and we also NEED Israel as much as they need us. Unless you get Israel and Palestine to agree on anything, they will always be fighting. You can't ignore what's going on in the rest of the world while you try another 30 years to fix Israel/Palestine.

By the way, Islam and democracy already coexists. Right here in America.

I admire Bush's vision for the future. He has balls and a will to make the world a better place. Men like that leave a great mark on history. Freedom is in the blood of every human being, even if they've never experienced it.

Also, don't kid yourself, even if Sharon and Arafat were to shake hands tomorrow, the radical Islamic terrorists would still want us dead. They're not stopping short of killing us all.

 

:shock: form what I here dirty bombs are just as deadly :shock: don't underestimate them ....... :shock:

 

It seems to me that we are completely giving Sharon the baton while we focus on other things and he's doing some things that otherwise would not be done. Is it right? I don't know. The wall obviously doesn't solve the hate problem. But it can prevent people from getting killed. I agree that I don't think that there will ever be peace in Palestine/Israel. Not until one side completely gives in. Comprimise is not in the mentality of those leaders though. That's why I'm not a big opponent of the wall. It may serve it's purpose, albeit temporarily, until, I guess, they find other ways to get in and kill people.

I'm curious what your solution is then? All I've heard you say is how wrong this or that is, but not what you would do differently? It's easy to Monday morning quarterback. But we can all do that pretty effectively. it's a lot harder to come up with a solution.

I also do really believe that what we are doing is forcing democracy on anybody. I believe the Iraqi's will clearly want "some form" of democracy, where they get to choose who leads them. Their religion can still certainly be an integral part of their politics if they like. Here, there is a separation of church and state because we didn't want government to be determined by ones religious beliefs. Especially these days with so many more religions in this country than when it was founded, you need separation of church and state or there would be total chaos.

Maybe it will be different in Iraq, maybe they will even BASE their democracy on their religion. Either way, it has to be better than Saddam.

 

Man, I just typed an entire littany about Saudi Arabia and Korea and my PC puked!! :rant: :rant:

Anyway, I agree about Saudi Arabia being a problem. There has yet to be one President to dump on them the way they deserve.

N. Korea is now in talks with China, Japan, U.S. as well as other Asian countries. Hopefully this will lead to a diplomatic solution. (which goes back to my different medicine for different diseases statement)

Iran is dumping in their pants at the thought of having a democratic Iraq next door. This bothers them tremendously which is why you have Iranian terrorists trying to stir up trouble in the process.

Iran will be in deep sh!t if they continue their nukes program. At least as long as Bush is president.