Hey Tom well said!! First and foremost is to just enjoy the race. After reading some of the other posts it seems that maybe some of the egos might be the ones that HAD fast cars and now just don't seem to be any more. And that makes it no fun??? Really?? Every car WILL reach a limit to how fast it will go(in stock trim) period!!. Like Chris said it really just matters who you got paired with and THAT race is close.I could see being all bent out of shape if my opponent and me both quil. with 13.5's and now on race day he was running 12.5 and we still had to race each other. That would piss me off but that can never happen at this race. I see that the integrity of this race has taken some heat for the few that have taken the rules to new levels but I think in due time Dan and Bob will be able to fix that with some better tech and the new rules that they are working on.
Tom...I totally agree!! Just go and have fun racing the guys and gals who run similiar ETs to yours. Who cares what the others do. I am trying to convince my wife to try racing. Currently building a 69 Firebird 350 HO and hope she will give it a try when it is ready. I know she will like it. Steve
An outsider's perspective. Why the heck have a class name at all? Why call it Pure Stock? Is there a reason for this? The only logical reason to me anyway would be because all the cars racing in the event are Pure Stock. Otherwise, and I'm no rocket scientist, but maybe they could race in Stock Appearing or FAST. Or is it just the buzz everyone gets running 11's and 12's in a Pure Stock race. You folks are an entertaining bunch for sure. If cars that are deemed to be not Pure Stock, racing in a Pure Stock race, I fail to see why people get blamed for bitching. Just change the name of the race to the "Quit Bitching and have fun while it last's" race and everyone should be happy, no? o No:
Now THAT was well said. I agree with Tom's post except the last part. Because, as he had shared with all of us, if something is out of control it's not good. Thumbs up to the people who can see when something is out of control.
OH come on.........don't go changing things now!! I just built the motor in my sig for this class.............
I agree with Mr. Stefina. It's gotten way out of control. How can these people even live with them selves knowing their cheating and at the same time hurting the integrity of the race. Personally myself, I'd much more enjoy watching that 1968 Ram Air II run low 13's or maybe dip into the high 12's on a good air day. But to run 11.18 @ 122mph. That car is so bogus its not even funny. And if its not bogus, why don't you guys volunteer the car for a complete tear down inspection and prove your stock. I think the majority of the racers should group together and toss these cheaters right out of the event. If you don't soon, one day there isn't going to be a race like this to go too.
The race has evolved into something different than what it started out as,maybe yes,maybe no. My point was, the event is what YOU make of it for yourself. If you go half cocked with an attitude that your going to get pissed if you see a car run into the 11's, then your going for the wrong reason. If your going to try to have fun and enjoy YOUR personal car, maybe run a new personal best,have a close 2 outta 3 pairing,THAT is the right reason to go. The only thing out of control is the mob-rule bitching that goes on,which drives the event organizers one step closer to canning the event. That's the only thing that pisses me off, your endangering the welfare of MY good time. A 68 RAII that only runs low 13's or high 12's in good air has some serious problems. I can't,and won't stick my neck out to vouch for the correctness of above said Firebird,but I will say that I have no doubt there are several engine/trans/body style combo's out there that are fully capable of dipping into the 11's, and be 100% within the rules with the money to do it. Just because something hasn't been done, doesn't mean that it can't be done. Again, after attending and participating at this years Pure Stock Drags, I can tell you it's STILL growing,as we had the best turnout ever. The event organizers aren't stupid people, nor are they blind. They are fully aware of some stuff going on by certain people, and they are making some changes to "corral the horses", or reel things back in. If someone is sick of things, make a change. Start their own damn race with their own set of rules, see how things go. In any form of racing,there will alway's be those who have more money,time,resources to put into their car. This will alway's be the faster car. Human nature also plays a part as well, and it's human nature to tell a little white lie,bend the rules,or cheat a little. Probably goes as far back as the cavemen, if Grog could get Dar to look up in the sky for a bird that wasn't there so he could whomp him with a club and steal his BBQ'd dinosaur leg,it happens,Human nature:spank: There aren't many angels among us:bglasses:
If the only thing out of control is bitching, the corraling would be unessesary. Agreed none of us are saints, but that's why they have rules for the race, to keep "human nature" under control.
Very good post Tom!:TU: And hope you had a good birthday. In any situation,if your looking for a reason to get angry you will.If you simply attend to race,bs,laugh,and have fun,then you have arrived at the right place. A good many things have changed since this race has started,especially in the world,economy etc.None for the better. Yet this race continues to prosper,and grow.In my opinion,that is a success! If the fastest cars atthe race were running 12,5,s,does anybody really think everybody in the stands would be saying "Wow,these guys are really stock!" I doubt it. I would bet that in the last 13 or 14 years,there have been maybe 350-400 different people that have raced(could be wrong),but that is a small group of people over a long time span. My point is,keep the majority(NEVER,EVER WILL EVERYBODY BE HAPPY) of the core group happy,and who cares how the world percieves the "stockness" of our racers. My only problem is that we did not get to run our shootouts this year. Thats my only complaint. Lastly,i would like to vote to excuse Joe Z,from any further tech,according to his post ,he is really stock!p
Good post, Tom. I think it is the bitching that is the real problem, but that's typical of the entire country right now. Doubt that'll go away for a long time.....
It's not the bitching that is the problem, it's the listening. Yes, I'm blamming everyone that continues to be so passive about it all. Is it too much to keep fuel pumps, traction control 10,000rpm motors from running? Hello racers! People for the most part have kept their mouths shut pretty well from the Internet not to hurt the race. With some of the technology that is being currently used, what is wrong with large cubed motors??????????? Ya, it's cheating but what is the difference?????? Cheating is cheating!! If you think one is acceptable and the other is not than your cracked. Both have the same intent to take advantage of something that was never installed/rule permitted in the cars. Lets hear how cubic inches is illegal and the rest is not!!!!!! Really?!!!! If you believe in the theory just "run what ya brung" than you will NOT have heart burn with what I posted. That being said, are fast cars legal without roll bars???o No: This is not bomb throwing, this is discusson! Jim
They've said there will be changes in 2011. Until that time this is all drivel. People are banging on about this and that. Give them a chance to get their arms around it. You want something done NOW? Re read the post about the rules changes. It isn't going to happen overnight. This crap will only lead to a season with no racing and I wouldn't blame them.
Wow Paul, that's first time I've seen you post somthing other than . Yea I'm with him ! :laugh: :laugh: I do seem to remember how frustrated you were with rule changes 2 years ago and even stopped racing.(roller tips-no tips- roller tips -no tips come on try the tip just to see if you like it! I think what is more frustrating to people is that people HAVE BEEN CAUGHTand NOTHING has been done.Blatent use of fuel pumps,traction control,8"converters this year and it got swept under the rug. Keep running -no big deal. I don't want more rules, just old ones enforced. It shouldn't matter if your best friends with the orginizers or who ever you are. If it's going to be a free for all -a run what you brung - let everyone else know. Might be more fun for everyone.
Well said Jim, I agree 100%. Mr. Miller/Mr. Glasco, I'm not posting my opinion to rain on somebody's parade or ruin the event. I think most racers stay back in the shadows and don't voice how they really feel. And that's bad for the event also. But Mr.Morgan started this thread because when your complying with the rules and a select few aren't, it gets frustrating after a while. And then you start thinking about cheating yourself. And then it snow balls into many participants start thinking about it. And that's the attitude of the event today. I don't want to see this event go away. I've attended this event as a spectator for twelve years now, and its one of the greatest muscle car events period. But I also think its the responsibility of each racer to comply with the rules. Some racers interpret the rules like this. Well they don't say we cant do it, so I guess its ok. No that's not ok, and they know its not ok, but they do it anyway. To bring your muscle car to this event knowingly cheating is so disrespectful to to all of you, but really disrespectful towards the organizers. And yes I've seen the race change over the years too, but does that mean I close my eyes and turn and look the other way like nothing is happening. I don't think so. I'm like you Mr. Miller, I don't want someone ruining my good time also. So I suggest this racers, please take a long assessment of your own car from here on out. And ask yourself, is it really worth gambling the race away because you need to cheat.
Wrong! I didn't stop racing. I had a health issue that required my full attention. Is that OK with you? I know my vette was running quicker than the allowable solid axle vette ET; and I got wind of all the back biting by people without enough balls to come over and say it to me face. I'm back now and I'm sick of you and your posse constantly bitching. Stay home or start your own race. You have insulted the race organizers with your constant bemoaning about their lack of rule enforcement. Oh, and Dan called me during the roller tip fiasco after the "Distinguished Racer Meeting" and offered to buy me a set of rockers- roller tips or not-. Now that's integrity. Try it! Might be fun for everyone.
Actually Paul I was refering to the fact that you said your self you where pissed that you sold your rollers and had to buy O rockers and was going to have to buy another set, you vented about frustration on the wobbling back and forth. I Never mentioned a thing about your vette,never even nibbled on your back- check my back posts -NEVER have.. I checked your past posts and you said going to take time off after that. You didn't mention your health, just frustration. I still haven't thrown names , only mentioned why people are frustrated. Talk to Boden all the time, hasn't mentioned it. Just his frustration with rule bending and how that was a slap in the face. You must be talking to the other? And cool I didn't now I had a posse.
Thank you MrGSX70 for your input. Pual R. what do you think???? Should guys be able to "run what ya brung" even if it is cubic inches? Jim
