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Titan submarine accident

Discussion in 'The Bench' started by Mark Demko, Jun 22, 2023.

  1. PGSS

    PGSS Silver Level contributor

    Yes it's time to let the Titanic and its passengers rest in Peace.:(
    We have seen enough.
     
  2. TrunkMonkey

    TrunkMonkey Totally bananas

    Agreed, enough documentation has been obtained to provide all that is valuable for understanding the events that occurred once the Titanic slipped below the surface.

    Time comes to let it be

    Beyond that, it is out of greed, personal gain of one sort another, but nothing promoted further learning, and encroachment of the dignity of many people that lost their lives.
     
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  3. 2manybuicks

    2manybuicks Founders Club Member

    That seems to be describing a catastrophic hull breach / instantaneous increase in pressure. Implosion starts by simple crushing. I think, but could be wrong, that this makes it more like stomping on a pack of ketchup.-- the sides come together brutally fast, the thing ruptures as it flattens, contents spray out. But with a complicated structure like this. everything disintegrates in the process.
     
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  4. TrunkMonkey

    TrunkMonkey Totally bananas

    The water becomes a solid "piston" (fluid does not compress), and the fluid "seawater" acts as a piston, and compresses the air chamber (and everything in it) with 6000 PSI of force without any resistance, so the "contents" (people) being about 15% carbon/fat, and the air in the chamber, it is effectively a deisel engine of single cylinder in a compression stroke, then detonates, and pushes out against the compression of the collapsing vessel .

    Squeeze, bang, blow, and done in an instant faster than one can perceive.

    Why folks cannot understand this, is beyond me.

    They were dead, while they were still alive, but never could realize the event.
     
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  5. FJM568

    FJM568 Well-Known Member

    Has anyone heard how long it was supposed to take to descend from the surface down to the Titanic? They were an hour and 45 minutes into the dive when communication was lost and apparently when the implosion happened. I thought I heard it took several hrs to reach the bottom normally. If so, they weren't even close to being there yet.

    Just a terrible tragedy, with bad decisions made, whatever the case may be.
     
  6. Mark Demko

    Mark Demko Well-Known Member

    That’s what we HOPE;)
    Seems the CEO of the company just :rolleyes: at the experts and history.
     
  7. TrunkMonkey

    TrunkMonkey Totally bananas

    Approximately 2 hours.

    That put them at an estimated 9000 feet at the event.

    Still catastrophic failure, no matter the cause.

    Understanding the pressures are exponential per 100 feet, and greater than anything mankind experiences above sea level to the extreme of space and the speeds and physics encountered,

    "The sea and all below, are unforgiving and brutal.

    It cares not the intent or desire of men. The sea is stoic and true.

    Beware, anyone that chooses to challenge it. "


    -Trunk Monkey
    June 24, 2023
     
    Last edited: Jun 24, 2023
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  8. bignastyGS

    bignastyGS Maggot pilot

    It's very simple.....Sometimes the risks outweigh the rewards...
     
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  9. TTNC

    TTNC Well-Known Member

    The pressure increases linearly with depth. Pressure = weight of water per cubic feet * depth, or (62.4 lbs/cubic foot) * 13000 ft = 811200 lbs/square foot = 5633 psi. At that pressure it's like having a separate crew cab pickup truck on every square inch of your body. Not pleasant.

    Being an engineer this whole thing haunts me a bit. The CEO supposedly ignored all safety warnings. You know there had to have been some human drama involved when that happened, and I have been there in that situation myself when there are disagreements about a design. I don't know if the CEO is the one who originally designed the thing or not, but if not, you know the consequences are going to weigh on that person's life and others involved in the design for the rest of their lives.
     
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  10. John Codman

    John Codman Platinum Level Contributor

    I am very skeptical of the sharks with cameras or lasers heading for the wreckage. There would be no reason for them to want to go there, and the pressure would do the same thing to them as it would to us. No self-respecting shark would dive two miles for what would be a cupful or two of potential food.
     
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  11. 2manybuicks

    2manybuicks Founders Club Member

    This dude did not get to the position of being CEO of an.operation like this by being mumbly-mouthed and unconvincing. Quite the opposite -- he was probably just another fast-talking con-man, and you can't really blame the customers for falling for his spiel. The difference is that a con man promising top-notch real estate and instead giving you swamp land won't get you killed (depending on how well the gators have been fed, of course.) This guy, as they say, was operating out of his depth, and those depths turned out to be unforgiving.
     
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  12. 72 skylark custom

    72 skylark custom Well-Known Member

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  13. pbr400

    pbr400 68GS400

    I think people in general have come to disregard warnings because we hear and see them so much. Everything in California causes cancer, every cookie in the shop might have peanut residue, every theme park ride might kill you, every animal in the petting zoo might give you something that will kill you, even the furniture from Ikea might kill you. so we don’t listen. Combine that with a well oiled salesman, a little ‘risky shift syndrome’ and a wallet measuring contest, and Darwin chalks up five more, gone like ketchup in a stepped on packet. Nature and the natural world doesn’t f¥ck around. (Thanks for that visual, by the way!).
    Patrick
     
  14. knucklebusted

    knucklebusted Well-Known Member

    Evolution proves that money and brains doesn't guarantee success of your inclusion in the gene pool. It merely improves your option for mates.
     
  15. 12lives

    12lives Control the controllable, let the rest go

    Portuguese dogfish sharks have been found at an incredible 12,057 feet. Cookiecutter sharks live in warm water worldwide at depths up to 12,100 feet.
    per A-Z Animals
     
  16. 12lives

    12lives Control the controllable, let the rest go

    One report says they had sensors in the carbon fiber to detect cracking. The sub may have been trying to emergency surface as the ballast had been released. ugh.
     
  17. Max Damage

    Max Damage I'm working on it!

    I was thinking about this also. It's possible that the implosion caused an electrical pulse, which sharks are super sensitive to. Clearly it's not about food. This is just my brain searching for an explanation of course.
     
  18. 446379H

    446379H Well-Known Member

    I saw that too . Poor kid . Just horrible .
     
  19. GKMoz

    GKMoz Gary / Moz

    How about the implosion happened a week ago this coming Sunday, but clogged the news cycle all week?

    Just another conspiracy thought

    Regardless of the time, it happened! Sympathies to families!
     
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  20. PGSS

    PGSS Silver Level contributor

    Hope it happened so fast like the media claims that his worst fears were never felt.
    I'm imagining or guessing that a billionaire's life is so hectic that he's rarely home to spend time with family and this was a chance.:(
     
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