2 pennies and you'll get change... I never ran alphabet soup classes until I was asked to run GSR. I know nothing about GSE but what does GSE have to do with GSR? If mufflers were a rule, then you should have enforced that rule and not asked me or anyone else to participate in GSR who did not have mufflers. But you were hurting for cars then and I guess you had to do what you had to do even if it was wrong and deceptive to those you were recruiting for the the GSR class. I understand I will be the bad guy on this forum for speaking my opinion about this. So go ahead and throw **** at me since I'm the underdog.......Mob Rule. But let me show you how rediculous a muffler rule is for this class. First of all this was never intended to be a stock or stock appearing class that I know of. GSCA already has those classes in place. From what I understood this class was for those who had Buick race cars that didn't fit in the stock or stock appearing class. MY POINT IS AS FOLLOWS: GSR rules: Skylark/GS A Body ... Apollo's were just fine when you needed a bigger car count. Buick V8 powered ... Good Rule Any power adder is LEGAL ..... NO RESTRUCTIONS (turbo, nitrous, blower, big cube motor, etc) Any tire size or construction is LEGAL ... NO RESTRICTIONS (Slicks OK, Wide tire OK, Radials OK, ANY SIZE OK) Any size engine is LEGAL... NO RESTRICTIONS anywhere from 236 to 560 cu. in. aluminum or iron OK) Any interior is LEGAL ... NO RESTRICTIONS Full interior, fiberglass interior, No interior -- All OK) Fiberglass panels are LEGAL ... NO RESTRICTIONS fiberglass panels or all fiberglass car -- OK Transmission ... NO RESTRICTION trans brake OK Any suspension is LEGAL ... NO RESTRICTIONS stock, four link, caltracs, All OK) Deep Staging ... Someone on here wants to deep stage so IT's OK Etc etc, its LEGAL. ... Etc Etc is LEGAL....NO RESTRICTIONS Bring what ya got and race in GSR BUT*******BUT******* YOU HAVE TO HAVE A MUFFLER ou: NO RESTRICIONS to anything else but you have to have mufflers. Does ANYBODY see my point...? But I do hope everybody has a safe and fun GS Nationals because in the end that is all that matters. Good luck to all of you. You're lucky to have the guys from the Chicagoland Buick Club racing with you as they are ALL great people, family oriented, and fun to be with. I'll put my money on one of my Chicago boys to take the win in GSR. OK I'm done, start slamming me...
Dude it's mufflers. Either run them and run the class or don't it's that simple. This isn't my class so don't single me out with quotes I'm just a participant. GSR was started to replace the old GSE class that wasn't ran anymore,and from what I remembered in the 90's when I was a teen,was a class that had streetable race cars. Meaning they had full interiors,glass windows,FULL EXHAUST,limited wheel width,had to have a current registration,insurance,and pass a short drive thru town to run that class. Nothing about full race cars loaded up with electronics,wheels as wide as you want them,exhaust as loud as you want,trailer queens. The reason for the exhaust rule was due to enough class participant wanting the class to be more like it used to be when it was GSE. So Hugger took comments into consideration and made a small change to this yrs event so car count wouldn't be impacted to heavily. GSR was never intended to be an extension of S/16 by having cars that couldn't qualify fall back to GSR just because it paid better than B1. Well that's the way it will head without limitations. GSR is for fast legal streetable cars to haul ass down the quarter mile. I always thought racers are supposed to be tuff,ridged,grass root people and all I see anymore are a bunch of whiners and complainers at tracks that run their mouths more than their cars. I say to those type of racers,shut the F up,suit up,and race their damn car. This was in no way a slam on you either Joe:beer
Here are the old GSE rules and that's what Hugger is trying to get close to. Can't do it exactly to these since low car turn out was the demise of the GSE,but you get the point. Pay attention to rule #6 Joe and Hugger is only asking that all cars have mufflers. 2003 GSE Rules 1. 1965-1974 Buick GS and GranSport Bodies in appearance years allowed. Body must appear stock, using factory glass. No fiberglass and no externally mounted gauges. Only factory GS hood is allowed and must close within 3/4 of an inch flat. No Stage 2 hood scoops. No sponsorship decals. 2. Any Buick V8 engine can be used in any year model. The new aftermarket block will be legal. 3. Any Buick production cylinder head is legal including the cast iron Stage 2, the aluminum "Street Eliminator" head and the aluminum Stage 1 heads. 4. Rear gear ratios are limited to 4.10. No torque converters smaller than 9" allowed. 5. Slick width limited to 10.5" by sidewall designation, rear DOT street tires limited to 13.5" by sidewall designation. 6. Any single four-barrel cast intake manifold is legal. Any headers are legal. Header extension legal measured from front of collector to front of tapered cone not to exceed 34 inch’s (front being were multiple pipes enter collector). Tapered cones not to exceed 8 inch’s in length. All x-pipes must enter no more then 3 inches in diameter and exit no more then 3 inches in diameter. The rest of the car must be 3 inches or less. Car may have only two mufflers and two tail pipes. Any commercially available muffler is legal. 7. Suspension modifications limited to springs, bushings, airbags, and shocks. Bolt on traction devices and upper/lower control arm replacements are legal. Aftermarket torsion bars are legal. 8. You must run an air cleaner. A typical 360 degree (round) commercially available filter housing must be used. No non-filtered holes can be drilled and housing must be sealed tight to a commercially available air cleaner. 9. No aftermarket seats. Cars must have front and rear seats, and have the full factory interior. 10. No trans brakes allowed. 11. Lowered gas tank sumps are legal. Trunk mounted fuel cells are legal, though the appearance (visible from the rear of the car) of a stock tank must remain in place. 12. Minimum weight is 3800 pounds with driver for aluminum headed Stage 1 and Stage 2 cars and 3600 pounds with driver for iron headed Stage 1 and Stage 2 cars. 13. No turbo charging, supercharging, fuel injection, nitrous or any other means of induction other than carburetion. No alternate fuels such as alcohol, methanol, etc. Gasoline only, no power enhancing additive’s allowed (oxygen and nitrogen bearing compounds etc…). No factory enhanced fuels allowed Testing of fuels may be done randomly and by discretion of committee members, if any fuel is found to be "enhanced" competitor will be disqualified and banned from any GSE races and all prize money will be forfeited and returned. 14. No clutchless transmissions such as Lenco, Jerico, or Liberty. 15. Cars will run off a ladder with fastest cars racing slowest off a pro tree. 16. Cubic inches limited to 468. All entries will be P&G'D prior to eliminations and must be within 1% of the CI limit. Top 3 cars at an event will be P&G'd after race is over by discretion of the committee members. 17. NHRA/IHRA safety rules will be enforced (depending on track run) by committee members for E.T.'s and speeds attained, even if not enforced by the track. THIS IS A SAFETY ISSUE.
