Truth or consequence

Seth, to obtain LESS horsepower, I will be shifting at 1750RPM to prove once-and-for-all that my 61.8HP (at the rear wheels) is the real deal !!

BUT THIS IS CRAP !! I call you out, and already you've got a fresh short block on the bench !! Am I gonna havta pull my cylinder heads and drill a 1/8" hole in the top of my pistons to obtain even LESS horsepower ??

PS - I do cheat tho..... I disconnect the voltage regulator so that the alternator doesn't stall the engine. Cheat - cheat - cheat .......

In all seriousness ... I do have a freshly machined 383 block that would be mui-perfect for a max effort 383. My Charger is just too dang heavy for "a package". Only one thing necessary .... mucho-money $$$$$. I'll stick to my pig.

---------- Post added at 11:44 AM ---------- Previous post was at 11:40 AM ----------

Or .... a max effort '69 383 GTS Dart that could hook up !!!!

 

Couldn't agree more, you hit the nail on the head Seth.

 

SS/AH is thatta way------>

Here's what I know: Bob K runs a Hemi, and has for some time, and over the course of me competing against him for 10+ years now I have *yet* to see him throw away a pass, and consider him to be the #1 prepared and most consistent "on-point" guy in the class...if he's not #1, then he's like 1a or 1b. But, we all know that.

So, considering Bob's body of work in this class (nearing 2 decades), I find it hard to believe that anyone could find 5hp over Bob's Hemi, much less 50hp (or more) that the Barton Hemi seems to make. Does Bob K, his years of experience in *this* class, and his hydraulic cam leave *that much* on the table, compared to a "new to the class" solid cam'd effort from Barton? Or does Bob K simply need some "razor sharp tuning" lessons from Ray?

That's why the factory hp rating is only used to determine your class (shipping weight divided by factory hp), and the NHRA factored horsepower is used to find your race weight.

 

Re: SS/AH is thatta way------>

Ray can't be that sharp, he couldn't even figure out how to come up with a cam with stock specs.

 

Re: SS/AH is thatta way------>

Chevy454, i see you brought up my post in quotes? What for? I simply stated this dyno might be a happy dyno and Bob s dyno might be a conservative dyno. Not all dyno's are the same... It wasn't meant to be a controversial post?? Did you somehow answer my post? and then you added the post i wrote to Jim Mino? What for? I asked him how he did the last 3 PSMCDR's and you added that in the quote? Your response is all about BK being the best ever, what's that have to do with my post??????

 

I think a big majority of the particpants could care less about what is going on with the top pissing match cars but to not go at all because of it seems kind of lame.[/QUOTE]
The guy built a car to run and has seen the BS in the FAST class and dosn't want to get in the middle of more of that let alone travel 10 hours to do so.There are a few diffrent types of guys racing those that don't take it seriously and just do laps all day.Those that want to perform well and take it seriously but know they will never be the fastest.And those that think that being the top if everything and are willing to push the envelope to be .If you dont care thats fine but some of us have been doing it for longer than many of you have been old enough to drive.If a person hasn't participated they shouldn't tell the ones who have how we should feel about this. When several guys are spending $35,000 up on engines to be extra PURE I guess its just a joke they aren't fooling anyone or winning anything.

 

When it comes to HEMI it is a free pass. There was a guy who thought Rick was taking it over the top with a RA II and this is what he said last June!

06-06-2011, 10:20 PM #20 Tom Cannon
Registered User
Join Date
Jan 2010
Posts
84
Re: Bogus/cheating Ram Air Ii
I agree!!! Tear that M'er F'er down!




Enough said from this side.

Jim

 

Hey Dave, I guess I missed your post asking for my PSMCDR HP. It was 425 on the 2011 spreadsheet but the weight was entered wrong, it should have been 3486 (50 lbs. heavier) and that would effect the HP calculation. I wasn't at the PSMCDR for 2009 or 2010 so I don't a HP number to compare (wish I did).

No doubt about it, the cars are getting faster every year. Maybe its time to introduce the tech sheet I worked out. I believe I sent you a copy. Do you think something like that would help corral some of the "rule stretching"? Why not post it here and get some input?

BTW, we need to keep this kind of discussion going to iron out problems and concerns with this hobby whatever they are. I agree with what Steve had to say for those that just want to show up and run, thats fine. But many of us are serious about competing to the best of our ability within the guideline of the existing rules and when we suspect someone is stepping over that line, we should have a right to air our concerns. For those that aren't concerned, be just that.

 

LOL!!! That is a good one Jim. I recall Rick thanking me for my support. That said, I have no problem going on record with "I think you are ALL a bunch of cheaters, top twenty are all cheated up and disguised even on the inside"


I wonder where in the pack the first legal car would be?

Hey' prove me wrong

 

I think you'll find Tom's attitude about tech has not changed. Pull them all down!

 

Re: SS/AH is thatta way------>

The button says "Reply with Quote"...seems self explanatory to me. Try rereading my post again, I addressed the 3 posts I quoted. Brian always tells me to avoid being too wordy, so maybe my post would've been better served had I simply said "Is it reasonable to believe 1,000 more rpm and solid lifters equates to ~50hp [or more] over Bob K's Hemi, and yet still be Pure Stock legal?".

Oh, and for those of you interested, the "New Bird Project" thread is still alive and well within the Google archives: http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...ick.com+bird+project&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

 

In all honest Jim, you just need to bring your car and just have fun. These issues have been for so long and it is really tough for the organizers to fix it. The racers need to try to keep race real for the race,.... and that is where it stands. A guy can sit in the stands and throw rocks at everyone but,... the action is on the track not watching from 15 rows up. If a guy isn't having fun than staying home may be the best place. It's a different race than what it was just a couple years ago. I hope I didn't let too much air out of the balloon.! Jim Mino, the race is better with you than without you so put the PSMCDR 2012 on the calendar and make the show.

Jim

 

Re: SS/AH is thatta way------>

A bunch of that thread is missing Rob

 

Sorry about raining on the parade but I think Brian Stefina did prove you wrong when he didn't have to pay you the $10.00 on the HEMI dyno bet.

I sent Dave Dudek a pm message when the dyno video was posted and just really wanted the video info to stay quiet. As cool as the stuff is, the Pure Stock Drags just didn't need more controversy of out outrageous high RPM power plants being displayed. Of course the HEMi is a great motor but, did you think you were going to stick it up everyones rear with a smile????? On the principle of what the race should be about, their is no way a car pulling 8000RPM is welcomed with open arms with what I consider conservative rules for other comparable motor sports.

Her is a copy of my post to DD

My post
Sounds like the dyno was a lot of fun. I'm sure the car is going to rock and roll as it is a great combination. I wanted to say that the dyno sheet being shown would possible hurt the race, just maybe. I could see the car making all most 600 hp but the rest of the racers wont be prepared for something like this. As awesome as that is, I do think it would hurt the race. It could be something like the sub 10 second runs for the FAST guys. As cool as it may be, there is fallout and the club gets a lot smaller. "It is like a victory dance on broken glass in your bare feet. Be careful to what music and how long you play the song."

Jim

 

Terry and I are talking about tech right now. . Yesterday we spent about $700 on tech equipment, were looking at more and we have acess to the stuff the PSMCDR uses. If your over on compression, valve spring pressure, cam lift,etc. You will not be racing in the "stock" class we don't care who you are. Also were gonna be weighing cars after the final rounds. We will be posting this info on our site soon.

---------- Post added at 07:47 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:47 PM ----------

Terry and I are talking about tech right now. . Yesterday we spent about $700 on tech equipment, were looking at more and we have acess to the stuff the PSMCDR uses. If your over on compression, valve spring pressure, cam lift,etc. You will not be racing in the "stock" class we don't care who you are. Also were gonna be weighing cars after the final rounds. We will be posting this info on our site soon.

 

Re: SS/AH is thatta way------>

Ok, that figures...I've kinda been out of the loop lately, as we've been realy busy here at work. Here's a peek into how my week has gone:

--> don't click here if you have a weak stomach! <--

 

Re: SS/AH is thatta way------>

Quincy,

Is that not getting a little too close to the neighborhood?????

 

Re: SS/AH is thatta way------>

Neighborhood ?

Rob just got electricity 4th quarter of 2011. He's "Movin'-On-Up" in 'da hood !!!

 

Re: SS/AH is thatta way------>

Absolutely...

 

Re: SS/AH is thatta way------>

Rob could not be more right on point about bk's motors. Don't ever forget who he learned from, the father of the hemi....the cam and carburation are the key to making the hemi run.I would think the stock hemi valve springs would be all done by 7200